This didn’t work as the font I used to type in the reply had a leg extending to the left on the lower leg of the “L”. You just have to imagine it. The tunnel would go straight and then you would back up a meter or so and dig 90 degrees to the tunnel. It allows the blast to reflect straight back.

And just a few months ago I was called, essentially, a fool for saying Taiwan could attack invading Chinese boats, in open water no less, with artillery, fiber optic missiles and rockets. Then machine gun them on the beach with remote controlled machine guns in bunkers. But somehow Israelis can magically see tunnels and small concealed tunnel entrances and perfectly bomb them within seconds.

For some reason some people here believe that fancy weapons and aggressive attacks will always succeed. I say defense is much more powerful.

This is simple math. They could fire 5 anti-tank weapons at each tank for $1,000 each or less. If you pay people 24 hours a day $5 an hour so you have people continuously digging tunnels and manning the tunnel post you could have 22.8 Men for each million dollar tank a year. Lets call it 20 Men and lots of anti-tank weapons. It hard to beat this and this is just the cost of the tank. The man power for the tank and support is far higher. At least double but probably more so then you have 40 men to equal each tank and a shit load of tunnels.

And I categorically dispute that every time someone fires a weapon planes can immediately drop expensive bunker busters on the tunnel within 30 seconds or less. I also dispute that this will be effective because 90 degree crooks in tunnels with extensions like this figure following, “L”, see the lower leg how it extends to the left, would vastly reduce the pressure pulse. You can run a long ways in 30 seconds.

By using the exploding tank protectors you now have no infantry to protect the tank. You’ve moved you’re protection farther away to a plane where he can’t see everything on the ground easily. To do so he has to get close. So what if they then start shooting down the planes with anti-aircraft. How will you bomb them then? I know exactly what thermal and other sighting system look from the pilots point of view and skewing those things around while flying a jet…it becomes difficult.

I’m not buying it.

I have a suspicion that the Israeli overthrow of Ukraine is a back up plan so the Jews can haul ass there if it gets too hot in Israel.(It also annoys the Russians).

One of these days, the Israelis are going to get tired of the tit-for-tat BS, and then it’s going to be game on, “Hama Rules”. For an explanation of that, see here:

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-are-hama-rules-2353561

The tanks are bait that can shoot back, and which are protected.

I don’t think this is going to go as planned for by anyone, but I think it is very likely to really go against Hezbollah et al more than the IDF.

Even if you’re right, and I dispute that you can immediately find a target and somehow magically suppress it given he runs away down a tunnel, fighting a $1,000 missile by trading tanks and $20,000 missiles is no way to win a war.

The tanks are basically bait that can shoot back, and the Israeli Air Force and their forward controllers are going to be raining hell onto whatever firing points they use. Even a soft-launch missile system is going to leave a signature for them to back-track, and I’d bet good money a lot of those positions are already mapped out.

Data point: The Israelis have supposedly militarized autism, in that they’ve drafted high-functioning autistics into their imagery analysis units. Odds are pretty good those guys have spent the last few years mapping out targets down to the millimeter. I think the Hezbollah throat-slitters are in for a bit of a shock, TBH.

I don’t believe this because of the simple reason that the past has not proven this so. You can popup from a defended tunnel. Fire a round off and scoot back down the tunnel well before anyone can place you. In Vietnam they fired a lot more than tank rounds at tunnel complexes and people survived. The troops would come up be fired on and they would bomb the place to smithereens and then when they moved forward the Vietnamese would pop right back up and smoke the troops again.

The active defense system, a lot of explosives on the outside of the tank, means you can’t have infantry around the tank or they’ll be blown to pieces. I wouldn’t say the tank is of no use but it has seen it’s better days. There’s no tank that can withstand multiple anti-tank weapon shots or really even one if it’s one of the better heavier two man systems.

What we need is a computerized horse but shaped like a mechanical ostrich that has highly sloped bottoms(for mines), like South African troop carriers, has enough intelligence to run about 100 mph on roads, less speed on rough ground and roll bars for crash protection. Maybe a fast third leg in front to arrest it’s fall when it trips, which it will.

This in spades. The Israelis are not supermen, but they are not stupid either. Sometimes fighting the last war DOES work, if the weapons are likely to be similar, and I don’t see Hezbollah having anything much more sophisticated than last time. Plus ass the losses they have suffered paying their Iranian sponsors in Syria lately.

It is amusing that people are continually predicting the demise of a particular weapons system. I remember in the late ’60′s/early ’70′s how in Canada, the reserve forces infantry was to be re-trained for civil defense because nuclear war had made infantry obsolete.

The demise of the tank has been predicted time and time again, (including in the referenced his), and yet, nobody is getting rid or theirs. Canada started to, and then reversed course, buying more and better tanks than they were getting rid of. Russia is developing (but can’t afford to field in quantity), a brand new tank.

The current talk is the end of the aircraft carrier. How chine is going to use hypersonic missiles to turn the aircraft carrier into an obsolete target. My question is that given this, and that if they can develop such a missile, then so can we, and likely faster and better, why are the Chinese then going full speed ahead with the acquisition of aircraft carriers?

Once the Hezbollah firing team unmasks itself and gets blasted out of existence, the effect on morale for the rest of the fighters goes down. I’m virtually certain that the Israelis have networked the technology that enables the anti-armor system to backtrack to the firing post, and then communicate that to the various fire support elements working with those tanks. The tanks are basically so much bait, and when the Hezbollah “fighters” start noticing that to use their Iranian-supplied AT systems is to sign their own death-warrants to no real avail, well… I’m thinking the Hezbollah leadership is going to have a problem with them, right along with the issue that the Israelis will be targeting them as individuals, as well. The whole thing is going to be very, very educational.

The Israelis basically have two alternating modes in war: Overwhelmingly competent or arrogantly assumptive of enemy inferiority. The last time they went into Lebanon, it was the latter. This next time, I’m kinda expecting the former.