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		<title>By: Kevin M.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/02/the-air-force-forgot-what-business-it-was-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2743987</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2019 04:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there&#039;s a typo there.  At no point after 47 did our fleet of bombers reach 10,000.  There were less than 4,000 B29s and less than 800 B52s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a typo there.  At no point after 47 did our fleet of bombers reach 10,000.  There were less than 4,000 B29s and less than 800 B52s.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/02/the-air-force-forgot-what-business-it-was-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2741656</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 19:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an Army guy, I don&#039;t want close air support from the Air Force integrated in with the Army. The requirements are too damn different, in terms of emphasis and culture, for the zoomies to ever fit in well with the ground-pounders.

If it&#039;s got to be done, then do away with the Key West Accords that prevent the Army from having fixed-wing aviation, and let the Army build up it&#039;s own fleet of close-support assets on its own. The Air Force mentality is just too damn different for them to ever really be able to integrate well.

I think the Soviets had it right--They had more than one &quot;Air Force&quot;, and their Frontal Aviation was more like what we need for close air support. Only thing is, I think that the Air Force &quot;reason for being&quot; is an artifact of the mid-20th, and is rapidly evaporating as we watch. What&#039;s coming down the line is a near-complete obviation of everything that&#039;s manned and in-atmosphere. In space, there&#039;s still purview for manned equipment, due to the lag in communications, but that&#039;s only in terms of command/control--Combat is going to be remote-operated drones.

The &quot;Army&#039;s Air Force&quot; of the future is likely to be UAV-based, and controlled by some lowly junior enlisted guy with a tablet and an X-Box controller, huddled in with the platoon RTO and the PL. The Air Force is going to be completely irrelevant because ain&#039;t nobody gonna be riskin&#039; an 80 million-dollar manned aircraft to drop bombs on some ragheads firing a PKM at our guys...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Army guy, I don&#8217;t want close air support from the Air Force integrated in with the Army. The requirements are too damn different, in terms of emphasis and culture, for the zoomies to ever fit in well with the ground-pounders.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s got to be done, then do away with the Key West Accords that prevent the Army from having fixed-wing aviation, and let the Army build up it&#8217;s own fleet of close-support assets on its own. The Air Force mentality is just too damn different for them to ever really be able to integrate well.</p>
<p>I think the Soviets had it right&#8211;They had more than one &#8220;Air Force&#8221;, and their Frontal Aviation was more like what we need for close air support. Only thing is, I think that the Air Force &#8220;reason for being&#8221; is an artifact of the mid-20th, and is rapidly evaporating as we watch. What&#8217;s coming down the line is a near-complete obviation of everything that&#8217;s manned and in-atmosphere. In space, there&#8217;s still purview for manned equipment, due to the lag in communications, but that&#8217;s only in terms of command/control&#8211;Combat is going to be remote-operated drones.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Army&#8217;s Air Force&#8221; of the future is likely to be UAV-based, and controlled by some lowly junior enlisted guy with a tablet and an X-Box controller, huddled in with the platoon RTO and the PL. The Air Force is going to be completely irrelevant because ain&#8217;t nobody gonna be riskin&#8217; an 80 million-dollar manned aircraft to drop bombs on some ragheads firing a PKM at our guys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: McChuck</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/02/the-air-force-forgot-what-business-it-was-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2741144</link>
		<dc:creator>McChuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 13:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An air force is the wrong tool to &quot;keep the enemy&#039;s heads down&quot; during an assault.  The proper tool is artillery.  Much cheaper, and more effective for the purpose.  Of course, you can use a glass sledgehammer to swat a fly, but it&#039;s not ideal.

That&#039;s not to say that close air support is not an invaluable tool.  It is.  But it&#039;s purpose to to spot and destroy a relatively small enemy formation, in defense of a relatively small friendly unit.  It is literally flying, self-spotting artillery in this role.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An air force is the wrong tool to &#8220;keep the enemy&#8217;s heads down&#8221; during an assault.  The proper tool is artillery.  Much cheaper, and more effective for the purpose.  Of course, you can use a glass sledgehammer to swat a fly, but it&#8217;s not ideal.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that close air support is not an invaluable tool.  It is.  But it&#8217;s purpose to to spot and destroy a relatively small enemy formation, in defense of a relatively small friendly unit.  It is literally flying, self-spotting artillery in this role.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2019 02:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the enemy intends to wait out an air raid, they need some place to hide. That means an air raid is still useful for one thing: prelude to an attack in a set piece battle on contested ground. Not so much use against entrenched positions.

Japan was not able to wait out the A-bomb attacks. But that&#039;s an extreme case, probably never to be repeated.

In the long run, that which does not make us stronger kills us. Wear them down. They can&#039;t wait it out forever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the enemy intends to wait out an air raid, they need some place to hide. That means an air raid is still useful for one thing: prelude to an attack in a set piece battle on contested ground. Not so much use against entrenched positions.</p>
<p>Japan was not able to wait out the A-bomb attacks. But that&#8217;s an extreme case, probably never to be repeated.</p>
<p>In the long run, that which does not make us stronger kills us. Wear them down. They can&#8217;t wait it out forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Sykes</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/02/the-air-force-forgot-what-business-it-was-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2736980</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2019 21:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Air forces have to be good at all three: close air support, air superiority, and strategic bombing. But this requires different classes of air craft and pilot training for each task. Perhaps they should be split among different services. Give CAS and the fixed wing planes for it back to the Army (where it belongs anyway, a la Marines). 

However, many of the targets for strategic bombing are better tasked to ballistic and cruise missiles, which can be launched from submarines. Even our existing heavy bombers are really missile trucks. 

There are still uses for carpet bombing, and heavy bombers are ideal for that. But the day of fleets of heavy bombers is over.

Even in WW II, our strategic bomber crews suffered percentage losses higher than our infantry. Only submariners deaded at a higher rate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Air forces have to be good at all three: close air support, air superiority, and strategic bombing. But this requires different classes of air craft and pilot training for each task. Perhaps they should be split among different services. Give CAS and the fixed wing planes for it back to the Army (where it belongs anyway, a la Marines). </p>
<p>However, many of the targets for strategic bombing are better tasked to ballistic and cruise missiles, which can be launched from submarines. Even our existing heavy bombers are really missile trucks. </p>
<p>There are still uses for carpet bombing, and heavy bombers are ideal for that. But the day of fleets of heavy bombers is over.</p>
<p>Even in WW II, our strategic bomber crews suffered percentage losses higher than our infantry. Only submariners deaded at a higher rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2019 15:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see if they get hip to hypersonics, or if that&#039;s all going to be on Space Force&#039;s plate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see if they get hip to hypersonics, or if that&#8217;s all going to be on Space Force&#8217;s plate</p>
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		<title>By: Albion</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2019/02/the-air-force-forgot-what-business-it-was-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2736891</link>
		<dc:creator>Albion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2019 13:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really, the US Air Force has been &#039;effective&#039;?

I thought the evidence in recent times was that no matter how much overwhelming air superiority one has and no matter how many tons of napalm one drops, the nature of war in the last fifty years has changed. The enemy merely waits out the bombing raid and emerges to still control the ground, where in the end success comes in military terms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, the US Air Force has been &#8216;effective&#8217;?</p>
<p>I thought the evidence in recent times was that no matter how much overwhelming air superiority one has and no matter how many tons of napalm one drops, the nature of war in the last fifty years has changed. The enemy merely waits out the bombing raid and emerges to still control the ground, where in the end success comes in military terms.</p>
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