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	<title>Comments on: The ability to choose something simpler and more likely to endure</title>
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		<title>By: Mike in Boston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&lt;i&gt;we&#039;d all be using Speed Queen washers and dryers&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Glad to see someone mention &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.speedqueen.com/the-speed-queen-difference/loads-and-loads-of-quality.aspx&quot;&gt;Speed Queen&lt;/a&gt;, motto: &quot;Built Better to Last Longer&quot;. I hope they start building fridges before my late 1990s-vintage Frigidaire goes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>we&#8217;d all be using Speed Queen washers and dryers</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Glad to see someone mention <a href="https://www.speedqueen.com/the-speed-queen-difference/loads-and-loads-of-quality.aspx">Speed Queen</a>, motto: &#8220;Built Better to Last Longer&#8221;. I hope they start building fridges before my late 1990s-vintage Frigidaire goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2018 03:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If buying decisions on appliances were made by rational engineers, then you&#039;d probably see a lot more modularity. Being as the number one decision-maker on appliance purchases are the women of the household, wellllll... Good luck with that.

We do a lot of kitchens in our contracting business. The sheer irrationality of some of the decisions I&#039;ve seen would boggle your mind. One client insisted, positively &lt;i&gt;insisted&lt;/i&gt; that she must, absolutely &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; have her freezer on the &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; of the refrigerator. Do you know how many companies build those? No? Well, let me tell you, at the time this happened, there was one, precisely one, that offered that option. The company was Gaggenau, and the flippin&#039; thing cost $15,000.00. They bought it, and as far as I know, it&#039;s the only Gaggenau refrigerator in the county. The appliance guys we know who were asked about servicing it just laughed, and laughed... With a distinct note of hysteria.

Household appliance purchases are almost never made on any sort of rational basis, or we&#039;d all be using Speed Queen washers and dryers, and the rest would be some mix of other professional-grade brands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If buying decisions on appliances were made by rational engineers, then you&#8217;d probably see a lot more modularity. Being as the number one decision-maker on appliance purchases are the women of the household, wellllll&#8230; Good luck with that.</p>
<p>We do a lot of kitchens in our contracting business. The sheer irrationality of some of the decisions I&#8217;ve seen would boggle your mind. One client insisted, positively <i>insisted</i> that she must, absolutely <i>must</i> have her freezer on the <i>right</i> of the refrigerator. Do you know how many companies build those? No? Well, let me tell you, at the time this happened, there was one, precisely one, that offered that option. The company was Gaggenau, and the flippin&#8217; thing cost $15,000.00. They bought it, and as far as I know, it&#8217;s the only Gaggenau refrigerator in the county. The appliance guys we know who were asked about servicing it just laughed, and laughed&#8230; With a distinct note of hysteria.</p>
<p>Household appliance purchases are almost never made on any sort of rational basis, or we&#8217;d all be using Speed Queen washers and dryers, and the rest would be some mix of other professional-grade brands.</p>
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		<title>By: Alien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;ll never happen, but modularity in disposables might be a benefit. With refrigerators, the insulation, shelves, doors, the refigerant piping in the walls, etc. won&#039;t wear out, and door hinges will probably last a long time and are easily replaced when they do wear out. 

The compressor/motor/control hardware? Expendable and modularly replaceable. Quick disconnects, slide-in/slide-out assemblies, plug-in control modules. Even with vacuum pump-down of the refrigerant piping to refill with refrigerant, maybe 30-45 min to swap out; either recycle/scrap the old one or (competent) 3rd party rebuild. Same would work with most major appliances (maybe a universal motor unit to drive compressors, washing machine gearboxes, dryer drums, etc.?).

Assuming, of course, one wants to keep the same color shell.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll never happen, but modularity in disposables might be a benefit. With refrigerators, the insulation, shelves, doors, the refigerant piping in the walls, etc. won&#8217;t wear out, and door hinges will probably last a long time and are easily replaced when they do wear out. </p>
<p>The compressor/motor/control hardware? Expendable and modularly replaceable. Quick disconnects, slide-in/slide-out assemblies, plug-in control modules. Even with vacuum pump-down of the refrigerant piping to refill with refrigerant, maybe 30-45 min to swap out; either recycle/scrap the old one or (competent) 3rd party rebuild. Same would work with most major appliances (maybe a universal motor unit to drive compressors, washing machine gearboxes, dryer drums, etc.?).</p>
<p>Assuming, of course, one wants to keep the same color shell&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alrenous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2018 07:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So uh, oops. Got my ratio of ratios backwards. Inflation actually overstated by 15%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So uh, oops. Got my ratio of ratios backwards. Inflation actually overstated by 15%.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alrenous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2018 07:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even based on official numbers, it lowballed inflation by 15%. Are they really that desperate to kiss the ring? Do they really have to subtly lie about everything?

Old fridge was 1/24 of an average yearly wage. New fridge is 1/92. Exact ratio: 3.76. Ratio of 1735:529 = 3.28]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even based on official numbers, it lowballed inflation by 15%. Are they really that desperate to kiss the ring? Do they really have to subtly lie about everything?</p>
<p>Old fridge was 1/24 of an average yearly wage. New fridge is 1/92. Exact ratio: 3.76. Ratio of 1735:529 = 3.28</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2018 03:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You probably want to consider &quot;survivor bias&quot; in regards to this... 

You remember the appliances that lasted &quot;forever&quot;, but without knowing how many of them actually lasted that long...? You might have just had that one Frigidaire that got built just right...

The dumps and recycling yards are filled with old appliances that broke, and were not at all economical to repair. The few that are still running, for whatever reason? How many of them are there, really?

Some things need analysis before you can start legitimately longing for the machinery of yore. Most of which wasn&#039;t really that great, to be quite honest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably want to consider &#8220;survivor bias&#8221; in regards to this&#8230; </p>
<p>You remember the appliances that lasted &#8220;forever&#8221;, but without knowing how many of them actually lasted that long&#8230;? You might have just had that one Frigidaire that got built just right&#8230;</p>
<p>The dumps and recycling yards are filled with old appliances that broke, and were not at all economical to repair. The few that are still running, for whatever reason? How many of them are there, really?</p>
<p>Some things need analysis before you can start legitimately longing for the machinery of yore. Most of which wasn&#8217;t really that great, to be quite honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should watch out when thinking of the good old days of long-lived manufactured goods. I know a fridge bought in the &#039;70&#039;s. It was upper-end at the time. And, at the time, we all knew these modern fridges didn&#039;t last a long time like those good old, rounded-top, smaller, louder fridges.

The &#039;70&#039;s fridge died a couple years ago and was replaced by the power company for &quot;free&quot;. With a quite equivalent model. The high-end fridge of the &#039;70&#039;s had become the bottom-end product of the 2010&#039;s. Will it last until 2055 with a couple of repairs? Probably not. It&#039;s the wrong color.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should watch out when thinking of the good old days of long-lived manufactured goods. I know a fridge bought in the &#8217;70&#8242;s. It was upper-end at the time. And, at the time, we all knew these modern fridges didn&#8217;t last a long time like those good old, rounded-top, smaller, louder fridges.</p>
<p>The &#8217;70&#8242;s fridge died a couple years ago and was replaced by the power company for &#8220;free&#8221;. With a quite equivalent model. The high-end fridge of the &#8217;70&#8242;s had become the bottom-end product of the 2010&#8242;s. Will it last until 2055 with a couple of repairs? Probably not. It&#8217;s the wrong color.</p>
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		<title>By: Candide III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candide III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2018 12:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No mention of planned obsolescence (i.e. planned breakage after warranty expires) among the reasons? Maybe making appliances that last forever just isn&#039;t good business. It sort of worked for a while when people were still buying their first fridges or upgrading to the much better newer models, but modern &quot;newer&quot; models only offer more bells and whistles on top of basically same functionality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mention of planned obsolescence (i.e. planned breakage after warranty expires) among the reasons? Maybe making appliances that last forever just isn&#8217;t good business. It sort of worked for a while when people were still buying their first fridges or upgrading to the much better newer models, but modern &#8220;newer&#8221; models only offer more bells and whistles on top of basically same functionality.</p>
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