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	<title>Comments on: No more than a few dozen excellent examples were ever published</title>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/08/no-more-than-a-few-dozen-excellent-examples-were-ever-published/comment-page-1/#comment-2645167</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if that&#039;s the bar then the genre would be impossible, even writing about the past of one&#039;s own culture.

Of course, setting that as a hard limit would at least mean the authorial ignorance would be limited to ignorance in time, not space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if that&#8217;s the bar then the genre would be impossible, even writing about the past of one&#8217;s own culture.</p>
<p>Of course, setting that as a hard limit would at least mean the authorial ignorance would be limited to ignorance in time, not space.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2018 01:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The great thing about historical fiction is that there&#039;s nobody alive to get on your case if they don&#039;t agree with your take on their culture.

A few historians might get out of joint, but I could probably handle that.

The thing is, I&#039;ve never been to medieval Japan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great thing about historical fiction is that there&#8217;s nobody alive to get on your case if they don&#8217;t agree with your take on their culture.</p>
<p>A few historians might get out of joint, but I could probably handle that.</p>
<p>The thing is, I&#8217;ve never been to medieval Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the last really good historical fiction I read, including in worldbuilding as well as narrative and characterization, was Stephen Pressfield&#039;s work. Even he only really approached perfection in Gates of Fire, although Tides of War and The Afghan Campaign were pretty good. Christian Cameron&#039;s work is good, but his main series&#039; still sound too modern. His one volume on Alexander from the perspective of Ptolemy, though, is something remarkable. As good as Pressfield.

Based on what I&#039;ve seen, historical fiction and science fiction, which have much in common, both largely died in this century. Fantasy too.

All appear to be dominated by tie-ins, of which but a few are good [these do exist- in Star Wars, Plagueis is almost literature if you step into the mindset of thinking the SW galaxy is real and has a history]. 

Also by increasingly turgid writing, or simpleminded writing at the other end, simple premises, long series, trite takes on characters and situations and moral problems, poorly sketched Mary Sue characters, and so on. And there are far more Mary Sues than Marty Stus, and its getting worse.

Yes, 90% of everything is crap. But I think Sturgeon was over-egging the pudding in his time, even for SF. Now it&#039;s more true of his genre than it was then.

There&#039;s exceptions, there always are, at least in SF. HF, I have a harder time finding it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the last really good historical fiction I read, including in worldbuilding as well as narrative and characterization, was Stephen Pressfield&#8217;s work. Even he only really approached perfection in Gates of Fire, although Tides of War and The Afghan Campaign were pretty good. Christian Cameron&#8217;s work is good, but his main series&#8217; still sound too modern. His one volume on Alexander from the perspective of Ptolemy, though, is something remarkable. As good as Pressfield.</p>
<p>Based on what I&#8217;ve seen, historical fiction and science fiction, which have much in common, both largely died in this century. Fantasy too.</p>
<p>All appear to be dominated by tie-ins, of which but a few are good [these do exist- in Star Wars, Plagueis is almost literature if you step into the mindset of thinking the SW galaxy is real and has a history]. </p>
<p>Also by increasingly turgid writing, or simpleminded writing at the other end, simple premises, long series, trite takes on characters and situations and moral problems, poorly sketched Mary Sue characters, and so on. And there are far more Mary Sues than Marty Stus, and its getting worse.</p>
<p>Yes, 90% of everything is crap. But I think Sturgeon was over-egging the pudding in his time, even for SF. Now it&#8217;s more true of his genre than it was then.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s exceptions, there always are, at least in SF. HF, I have a harder time finding it.</p>
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		<title>By: Albion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take Harry Jones&#039; points above about knowing a location thoroughly in fiction, but for someone who hasn&#039;t been to Japan (and certainly not in the 1600s) Clavell&#039;s descriptions of Japanese life in Shogun was enough to effectively transport me there.

In other words, a few good descriptions in an interesting story is enough to take me there. By contrast, I have seen movies and read novels and begun too much to notice period detail. I felt the movie/book was trying too hard to put me in &#039;the time.&#039; A little lighter touch in such fringe features might have made me concentrate more of the flow of the story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take Harry Jones&#8217; points above about knowing a location thoroughly in fiction, but for someone who hasn&#8217;t been to Japan (and certainly not in the 1600s) Clavell&#8217;s descriptions of Japanese life in Shogun was enough to effectively transport me there.</p>
<p>In other words, a few good descriptions in an interesting story is enough to take me there. By contrast, I have seen movies and read novels and begun too much to notice period detail. I felt the movie/book was trying too hard to put me in &#8216;the time.&#8217; A little lighter touch in such fringe features might have made me concentrate more of the flow of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2018 00:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can highly recommend the Chinese &#039;epic&#039; from 2012, Qin Empire: Alliance that&#039;s based on a popular novel. Historically placed approx 350BC. Costuming is execellent. Character development is excellent. Battle scenes are not so good. Good enough that it inspired me to read a history book on the Qin-Han period. See it on Netflix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can highly recommend the Chinese &#8216;epic&#8217; from 2012, Qin Empire: Alliance that&#8217;s based on a popular novel. Historically placed approx 350BC. Costuming is execellent. Character development is excellent. Battle scenes are not so good. Good enough that it inspired me to read a history book on the Qin-Han period. See it on Netflix.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2018 16:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I once thought of writing a story based on my experiences in a foreign country. Then it occurred to me: if I don&#039;t get every single detail right &#8212; or maybe even if I do &#8212; members of that culture might rake me over the coals.

I&#039;m thinking I could do it as what passes as SF these days, just fictionalize the society thoroughly enough to have plausible deniability.  &quot;It&#039;s not really Krappistan! It&#039;s an alien planet! Yeah, that&#039;s the ticket!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once thought of writing a story based on my experiences in a foreign country. Then it occurred to me: if I don&#8217;t get every single detail right &mdash; or maybe even if I do &mdash; members of that culture might rake me over the coals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking I could do it as what passes as SF these days, just fictionalize the society thoroughly enough to have plausible deniability.  &#8220;It&#8217;s not really Krappistan! It&#8217;s an alien planet! Yeah, that&#8217;s the ticket!&#8221;</p>
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