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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/06/some-religions-are-religions/comment-page-1/#comment-2635324</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2018 23:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I  think Taleb is being a little unfair here.

There&#039;s some truth- Christianity in the west in the last couple of centuries has largely given up as a source of law or as the overall shaper of society. Byt its own historical standards and the standards of any serious religion/belief system, at any rate. It became a religion of personal conscience, as many commentators are wont to put it.

There is a case to be made that this constitutes unconditional surrender, since it is just replaced by other metaphysical beliefs whether or not derived from it, and however inchoate and difficult to single-name. Certainly I can imagine even some quite not-extreme Muslims considering this the wrong path for their civilization&#039;s future. 

But it&#039;s true that Christianity has trod this path and Islam largely has not, at least not yet.

On a broader level, the distinction can be self-serving. All religions may not put the same emphases in the same place, but they all try to describe some kind of structure to the universe, some meaning to it, to connect that to the meaning of human existence, and to lay down templates for society and human conduct. To be a source of law. All the Abrahamic religions in particular. But not only them. 

Polytheisms and mixed polytheisms/philosophical/mystical systems like those of India and China have actually offered quite a bit in that last area. They&#039;ve relaxed largely under intense millennium long military pressure from rival religious systems, the construction of new syntheses thereof, or because we sold them liberal democracy and communism more recently. So we substituted different moral/legal organizing principles based on somewhat different moral assumptions about man and the universe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  think Taleb is being a little unfair here.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some truth- Christianity in the west in the last couple of centuries has largely given up as a source of law or as the overall shaper of society. Byt its own historical standards and the standards of any serious religion/belief system, at any rate. It became a religion of personal conscience, as many commentators are wont to put it.</p>
<p>There is a case to be made that this constitutes unconditional surrender, since it is just replaced by other metaphysical beliefs whether or not derived from it, and however inchoate and difficult to single-name. Certainly I can imagine even some quite not-extreme Muslims considering this the wrong path for their civilization&#8217;s future. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s true that Christianity has trod this path and Islam largely has not, at least not yet.</p>
<p>On a broader level, the distinction can be self-serving. All religions may not put the same emphases in the same place, but they all try to describe some kind of structure to the universe, some meaning to it, to connect that to the meaning of human existence, and to lay down templates for society and human conduct. To be a source of law. All the Abrahamic religions in particular. But not only them. </p>
<p>Polytheisms and mixed polytheisms/philosophical/mystical systems like those of India and China have actually offered quite a bit in that last area. They&#8217;ve relaxed largely under intense millennium long military pressure from rival religious systems, the construction of new syntheses thereof, or because we sold them liberal democracy and communism more recently. So we substituted different moral/legal organizing principles based on somewhat different moral assumptions about man and the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand perfectly well what you are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand perfectly well what you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaikokumaniakku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaikokumaniakku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lucklucky:

You have a failure to comprehend. That is your problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucklucky:</p>
<p>You have a failure to comprehend. That is your problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2018 07:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha! They proselytize but don&#039;t proselytize. 1984.

&quot;Blatant discrimination.&quot; Typical Marxist, even with weaponized word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha! They proselytize but don&#8217;t proselytize. 1984.</p>
<p>&#8220;Blatant discrimination.&#8221; Typical Marxist, even with weaponized word.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaikokumaniakku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaikokumaniakku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lucklucky:

Jews convert outsiders when such conversion suits their purposes.  They don&#039;t like mass conversions. Jews do proselytize.  Jews *don&#039;t* want to open up their club to any outsider who wants to join.  So Jews lie and say that they don&#039;t proselytize because they want to avoid getting called out on their blatant discrimination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucklucky:</p>
<p>Jews convert outsiders when such conversion suits their purposes.  They don&#8217;t like mass conversions. Jews do proselytize.  Jews *don&#8217;t* want to open up their club to any outsider who wants to join.  So Jews lie and say that they don&#8217;t proselytize because they want to avoid getting called out on their blatant discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...but basic observation disproves that.&quot;


Basic observation:
Jews less than 100M
Christians: +1B
Muslims: +1B

Jews: first of 3 named religion less than 100M
Christianism an evolution of Judaism many more.

Sometimes i look a Judaism and Christianity as the first is the Roman Republic and the second the arrival of Ceasar and Populism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but basic observation disproves that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Basic observation:<br />
Jews less than 100M<br />
Christians: +1B<br />
Muslims: +1B</p>
<p>Jews: first of 3 named religion less than 100M<br />
Christianism an evolution of Judaism many more.</p>
<p>Sometimes i look a Judaism and Christianity as the first is the Roman Republic and the second the arrival of Ceasar and Populism.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Law was in ancient times always gussied up with religious trappings. So I would call it a kind of religion, but we&#039;re talking about two different classes of religion, with two different purposes.

Both Old and New Testaments confront the problem of human depravity, but at different levels. The Mosaic law, like all legal codes, attempts to manage the consequences of human nature in society. But Christianity is explicitly about saving the individual soul from sin for a good afterlife. Christianity tries to stop the flow of vileness from the human heart, but Law only tries to mop up the spill.

Saint Paul tried to articulate this, I think. The Law doesn&#039;t save your soul because it wasn&#039;t intended to. Christianity doesn&#039;t improve society because it wasn&#039;t intended to.

When Jesus said &quot;render unto Caesar&quot; his point was that Roman Law is irrelevant to godly concerns. But The Pharisees saw - correctly - two competing legal systems: Mosaic and Roman. Jesus didn&#039;t dispute this point, because he agreed on a factual level, and just didn&#039;t care. He said, in effect: &quot;Yeah. So what?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law was in ancient times always gussied up with religious trappings. So I would call it a kind of religion, but we&#8217;re talking about two different classes of religion, with two different purposes.</p>
<p>Both Old and New Testaments confront the problem of human depravity, but at different levels. The Mosaic law, like all legal codes, attempts to manage the consequences of human nature in society. But Christianity is explicitly about saving the individual soul from sin for a good afterlife. Christianity tries to stop the flow of vileness from the human heart, but Law only tries to mop up the spill.</p>
<p>Saint Paul tried to articulate this, I think. The Law doesn&#8217;t save your soul because it wasn&#8217;t intended to. Christianity doesn&#8217;t improve society because it wasn&#8217;t intended to.</p>
<p>When Jesus said &#8220;render unto Caesar&#8221; his point was that Roman Law is irrelevant to godly concerns. But The Pharisees saw &#8211; correctly &#8211; two competing legal systems: Mosaic and Roman. Jesus didn&#8217;t dispute this point, because he agreed on a factual level, and just didn&#8217;t care. He said, in effect: &#8220;Yeah. So what?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wang Wei Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang Wei Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2018 05:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I spent some time talking with Bill Warner, Phd, a vocal critic of political Islam. He has books and youtube content. He made a useful distinction as it concerns Islam in America. Everyone is protected by the 1st Amendment including Muslims. Muslims are free to worship in their homes, free to worship in their mosques. However when Muslims bring Islam into the public realm of civic law then there are no protections, only legal processes that apply equally to all citizens. As such I am free to resist, protest and &#039;fight legally&#039; the rotten influence of political Islam. In reality though it seems Islam is a politically correct protected class. Just ask Tommy Robinson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent some time talking with Bill Warner, Phd, a vocal critic of political Islam. He has books and youtube content. He made a useful distinction as it concerns Islam in America. Everyone is protected by the 1st Amendment including Muslims. Muslims are free to worship in their homes, free to worship in their mosques. However when Muslims bring Islam into the public realm of civic law then there are no protections, only legal processes that apply equally to all citizens. As such I am free to resist, protest and &#8216;fight legally&#8217; the rotten influence of political Islam. In reality though it seems Islam is a politically correct protected class. Just ask Tommy Robinson.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaikokumaniakku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaikokumaniakku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2018 02:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Christians, Muslims, and every political party are proselytistic, while Judaism is not.&quot;

False. Jews love proselytizing when it suits their purposes. Jews refuse to proselytize when it doesn&#039;t suit their purposes. Thus the fraudulent propaganda is that Jews don&#039;t proselytize, but basic observation disproves that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Christians, Muslims, and every political party are proselytistic, while Judaism is not.&#8221;</p>
<p>False. Jews love proselytizing when it suits their purposes. Jews refuse to proselytize when it doesn&#8217;t suit their purposes. Thus the fraudulent propaganda is that Jews don&#8217;t proselytize, but basic observation disproves that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2018 00:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably the second, David Foster.

Nevertheless, Christians, Muslims, and every political party are proselytistic, while Judaism is not. In the western world we replaced religion with politics.  People today believe in politics.

The Political religion has obviously priests: they are the journalists; they define the moral. Journalists today even try to convince us the Political God can control the Climate.

Today the mass is TV news at diner time, in my country at least.

That is why no one goes to journalism school to give us the news. They go to be priests of Political God. And what is the ideology that wants to control everything, that fits better with this logic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably the second, David Foster.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, Christians, Muslims, and every political party are proselytistic, while Judaism is not. In the western world we replaced religion with politics.  People today believe in politics.</p>
<p>The Political religion has obviously priests: they are the journalists; they define the moral. Journalists today even try to convince us the Political God can control the Climate.</p>
<p>Today the mass is TV news at diner time, in my country at least.</p>
<p>That is why no one goes to journalism school to give us the news. They go to be priests of Political God. And what is the ideology that wants to control everything, that fits better with this logic?</p>
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