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	<title>Comments on: Human action is not the only relevant parameter in human history</title>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/05/human-action-is-not-the-only-relevant-parameter-in-human-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2632868</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2018 19:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is more difficult to have plagues in cold climate than in warm climate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is more difficult to have plagues in cold climate than in warm climate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2018 16:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are probably parallels with the Columbian Exchange, as well: New World immune systems were tuned to deal better with endemic parasites than they were with disease. The Europeans showed up, with all the diseases of &quot;civilization&quot;, and bang, zoom... There goes the native population.

You might make a point that the difference between the Norse attempts at North American colonization had rather more to do with the fact that they had arguably better hygiene, and no effective sets of civilizational plagues to bring with them, while the somewhat later to the table Portuguese, Dutch, and English brought with them the apocalypse in the form of diseases they&#039;d long since grown immune to.

So... Did the Romans actually set the stage for the depopulation of the Americas? Did they go through a similar process, due to the communications they created within the Empire?

One does wonder what the results would have been, were they to have discovered the germ theory of disease earlier on. Imagine the Islamic conquests encountering an Eastern Roman Empire that wasn&#039;t debilitated by the various plagues... Would Islam even exist, today?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are probably parallels with the Columbian Exchange, as well: New World immune systems were tuned to deal better with endemic parasites than they were with disease. The Europeans showed up, with all the diseases of &#8220;civilization&#8221;, and bang, zoom&#8230; There goes the native population.</p>
<p>You might make a point that the difference between the Norse attempts at North American colonization had rather more to do with the fact that they had arguably better hygiene, and no effective sets of civilizational plagues to bring with them, while the somewhat later to the table Portuguese, Dutch, and English brought with them the apocalypse in the form of diseases they&#8217;d long since grown immune to.</p>
<p>So&#8230; Did the Romans actually set the stage for the depopulation of the Americas? Did they go through a similar process, due to the communications they created within the Empire?</p>
<p>One does wonder what the results would have been, were they to have discovered the germ theory of disease earlier on. Imagine the Islamic conquests encountering an Eastern Roman Empire that wasn&#8217;t debilitated by the various plagues&#8230; Would Islam even exist, today?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2018 06:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is also the problem of large influxes of peoples into Rome itself. Bringing African, British, German and Middle eastern slaves and traders into Rome also introduced the diseases and parasites endemic to the part of the world. The Roman population and the introduced incomers no doubt &quot;traded&quot; diseases and if they had not built an immunity to those diseases, then a double (or triple) infection would undoubtedly prove fatal before their immune systems could cope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also the problem of large influxes of peoples into Rome itself. Bringing African, British, German and Middle eastern slaves and traders into Rome also introduced the diseases and parasites endemic to the part of the world. The Roman population and the introduced incomers no doubt &#8220;traded&#8221; diseases and if they had not built an immunity to those diseases, then a double (or triple) infection would undoubtedly prove fatal before their immune systems could cope.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu An Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lu An Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 535 A.D. event. According to Procopius the sun cast no shadow for three years. When it rained it rained yellow rain. When it snowed it snowed yellow snow. Constantinople had it rough but did survive much better than Rome did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 535 A.D. event. According to Procopius the sun cast no shadow for three years. When it rained it rained yellow rain. When it snowed it snowed yellow snow. Constantinople had it rough but did survive much better than Rome did.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is going to make for some fascinating reading. I didn&#039;t realize there was this much new scholarship coming out about the Fall of Rome, and it&#039;s clear that there&#039;s been more research done to support many of the arguments I&#039;ve read and agreed with, over the years.

I&#039;m not so sure that Rome&#039;s fall was really that harmful, over the long haul. Considering all the varied and many vices of Rome, not the least of which was their vicious destruction of neighboring cultures and civilizations (Trajan, I&#039;m looking at you...) to loot them to the ground and enrich Rome, I&#039;m really grateful we don&#039;t have their national behavior surviving into the modern era. You contemplate a lot of what Rome actually was, in terms of culture? You&#039;re going to be forced into a position of &quot;Thank God they&#039;re gone...&quot;. The entire proposition of slavery, as they practiced it? The sexual values and mores that they saw as normal? The public violence of the gladiatorial games?

No, if you had a modern Rome as your neighbor, I&#039;m pretty sure you wouldn&#039;t be living in a happy nation. It wouldn&#039;t be too far off from having a modern version of the Barbary States still in existence and raiding the coastlines of Europe for slaves and loot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is going to make for some fascinating reading. I didn&#8217;t realize there was this much new scholarship coming out about the Fall of Rome, and it&#8217;s clear that there&#8217;s been more research done to support many of the arguments I&#8217;ve read and agreed with, over the years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure that Rome&#8217;s fall was really that harmful, over the long haul. Considering all the varied and many vices of Rome, not the least of which was their vicious destruction of neighboring cultures and civilizations (Trajan, I&#8217;m looking at you&#8230;) to loot them to the ground and enrich Rome, I&#8217;m really grateful we don&#8217;t have their national behavior surviving into the modern era. You contemplate a lot of what Rome actually was, in terms of culture? You&#8217;re going to be forced into a position of &#8220;Thank God they&#8217;re gone&#8230;&#8221;. The entire proposition of slavery, as they practiced it? The sexual values and mores that they saw as normal? The public violence of the gladiatorial games?</p>
<p>No, if you had a modern Rome as your neighbor, I&#8217;m pretty sure you wouldn&#8217;t be living in a happy nation. It wouldn&#8217;t be too far off from having a modern version of the Barbary States still in existence and raiding the coastlines of Europe for slaves and loot.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnabas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barnabas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 13:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone read this book and also familiar with Joseph Tainter&#039;s work on collapse of complex societies and Rome in particular? Which is more on point? For instance, Tainter notes that only the most fertile farmland was worth cultivating in the face of high taxes imposed in the late Roman Empire. Farmers abandoned less fertile land rather than paying the taxes on it exacerbating food shortages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone read this book and also familiar with Joseph Tainter&#8217;s work on collapse of complex societies and Rome in particular? Which is more on point? For instance, Tainter notes that only the most fertile farmland was worth cultivating in the face of high taxes imposed in the late Roman Empire. Farmers abandoned less fertile land rather than paying the taxes on it exacerbating food shortages.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Sykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 12:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The French Revolution was driven by crop failures in the Little Ice Age. It is probable it drove the American Revolution, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The French Revolution was driven by crop failures in the Little Ice Age. It is probable it drove the American Revolution, too.</p>
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