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	<title>Comments on: The old Robert E. Howard version is actually pretty much what happened</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2018 01:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk - No doubt if you  want to be a platypus you can transcend your genes and magically transform yourself into one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk &#8211; No doubt if you  want to be a platypus you can transcend your genes and magically transform yourself into one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 22:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alistair:

And, the one thing you can count on? They&#039;ll have their own set of foibles and intellectual disorders analogous to ours and the ones you call out.

It&#039;s all part of the human condition, I fear. The truly rational man ain&#039;t evolved yet, and I somehow suspect that when and if he does, he ain&#039;t gonna be viable in this world of ours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alistair:</p>
<p>And, the one thing you can count on? They&#8217;ll have their own set of foibles and intellectual disorders analogous to ours and the ones you call out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all part of the human condition, I fear. The truly rational man ain&#8217;t evolved yet, and I somehow suspect that when and if he does, he ain&#8217;t gonna be viable in this world of ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 22:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gods, yes, I remember reading Cavalli-Sforza, huge WTF moment; lucid and devastating, and quite beautiful charts.

Then I went away and read all the maths behind it, which was interesting too.

Our descendants will treat the denial of human biodiversity by our civilisation with the same scorn we mock Lysenkoism and Phrenology; the triumph of politics over science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gods, yes, I remember reading Cavalli-Sforza, huge WTF moment; lucid and devastating, and quite beautiful charts.</p>
<p>Then I went away and read all the maths behind it, which was interesting too.</p>
<p>Our descendants will treat the denial of human biodiversity by our civilisation with the same scorn we mock Lysenkoism and Phrenology; the triumph of politics over science.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 19:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much of modern &quot;scientific belief&quot; is as much a religion as the old dogmatic faiths descending from Abraham.

Problem is, the adherents of such refuse to recognize that fact, and treat the pronouncements of their prophets as both irrefutable and unfalsifiable. The amazing thing to me is that many of the most vociferous will malign those of faith, and yet will not recognize that they themselves are similarly haunted by the unthinking demons they imagine the faithful to follow.

Race exists, I&#039;m afraid. I don&#039;t know that I follow the usual precepts about inferiority and superiority, though: I frame the issue as more in the realm of adaptation. Certain consistencies in behavior and action are observable as heritable across lineages; those lineages are generally also coincidental with some externally observable traits. They&#039;re not always consistent, but it&#039;s akin to the way that when you domesticate animals, the principles of neoteny are observable across species, with similar effect on behavior and appearances. The question is how much this affects the manner in which we should conduct ourselves?

I do not think that the behavioral traits which we receive in our biological heritage are necessarily immutable; if you are descended from child-raping molesters in multiple generations, you are emphatically &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; doomed to become one yourself. You may have the inclination; you may have the desire; but... You are not &lt;i&gt;forced&lt;/i&gt; by those genes or whatever it is lurking in the cell structures which expresses itself as behavior to actually act on those things. You have the ability to override inclination and desire; you may transcend the gifts or curses bestowed upon you by your lineage.

Racism is a crutch, one that utilizes stereotypes, and sadly it is often a useful one. You see a crowd of young black men bearing down on you outside the Minnesota State Fair, and they&#039;re dressed like gang-bangers...? Well, you can either act rationally on what your personal experience has been with that sort of group, or you may find yourself the victim of a &quot;beat whitey&quot; incident. That&#039;s not racism, per se--That&#039;s pure survival-oriented pragmatism. But, you&#039;d be termed a racist by all and sundry, on the activist left.

In an ideal world, you should be able to ignore the outward markers of race. Unfortunately, the outward markers are often indicative of probable behavior, and ignoring those signs and visible symptoms is something you can only do at your peril.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of modern &#8220;scientific belief&#8221; is as much a religion as the old dogmatic faiths descending from Abraham.</p>
<p>Problem is, the adherents of such refuse to recognize that fact, and treat the pronouncements of their prophets as both irrefutable and unfalsifiable. The amazing thing to me is that many of the most vociferous will malign those of faith, and yet will not recognize that they themselves are similarly haunted by the unthinking demons they imagine the faithful to follow.</p>
<p>Race exists, I&#8217;m afraid. I don&#8217;t know that I follow the usual precepts about inferiority and superiority, though: I frame the issue as more in the realm of adaptation. Certain consistencies in behavior and action are observable as heritable across lineages; those lineages are generally also coincidental with some externally observable traits. They&#8217;re not always consistent, but it&#8217;s akin to the way that when you domesticate animals, the principles of neoteny are observable across species, with similar effect on behavior and appearances. The question is how much this affects the manner in which we should conduct ourselves?</p>
<p>I do not think that the behavioral traits which we receive in our biological heritage are necessarily immutable; if you are descended from child-raping molesters in multiple generations, you are emphatically <i>not</i> doomed to become one yourself. You may have the inclination; you may have the desire; but&#8230; You are not <i>forced</i> by those genes or whatever it is lurking in the cell structures which expresses itself as behavior to actually act on those things. You have the ability to override inclination and desire; you may transcend the gifts or curses bestowed upon you by your lineage.</p>
<p>Racism is a crutch, one that utilizes stereotypes, and sadly it is often a useful one. You see a crowd of young black men bearing down on you outside the Minnesota State Fair, and they&#8217;re dressed like gang-bangers&#8230;? Well, you can either act rationally on what your personal experience has been with that sort of group, or you may find yourself the victim of a &#8220;beat whitey&#8221; incident. That&#8217;s not racism, per se&#8211;That&#8217;s pure survival-oriented pragmatism. But, you&#8217;d be termed a racist by all and sundry, on the activist left.</p>
<p>In an ideal world, you should be able to ignore the outward markers of race. Unfortunately, the outward markers are often indicative of probable behavior, and ignoring those signs and visible symptoms is something you can only do at your peril.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Sykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 11:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Cavalli-Sforza, L. L., P. Menozzi, and A. Piazza&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/2EmjMOl&quot;&gt;The History and Geography of Human Genes&lt;/a&gt;, the authors&#039; demonstrate the reality of races and posit an evolutionary tree for them. Conspicuously, however, they were forced (?) to insert a disclaimer that they had not in fact demonstrated the reality of races and that races did not exist. But their own data contradict them.

&lt;em&gt;E pur si muove&lt;/em&gt;. 

And we &quot;Moderns&quot; are so contemptuous of the Renaissance Church and Cardinal Bellarmine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Cavalli-Sforza, L. L., P. Menozzi, and A. Piazza&#8217;s <a href="https://amzn.to/2EmjMOl">The History and Geography of Human Genes</a>, the authors&#8217; demonstrate the reality of races and posit an evolutionary tree for them. Conspicuously, however, they were forced (?) to insert a disclaimer that they had not in fact demonstrated the reality of races and that races did not exist. But their own data contradict them.</p>
<p><em>E pur si muove</em>. </p>
<p>And we &#8220;Moderns&#8221; are so contemptuous of the Renaissance Church and Cardinal Bellarmine.</p>
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