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		<title>By: Adar</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/04/shotgun-or-sidearm/comment-page-1/#comment-2629419</link>
		<dc:creator>Adar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rule of thumb is that the shot pattern will be as wide in inches as you are yards away from the target. 12 yards away and the shot pattern should be about a foot wide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rule of thumb is that the shot pattern will be as wide in inches as you are yards away from the target. 12 yards away and the shot pattern should be about a foot wide.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 02:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gaikokumaniakku,

And, you&#039;re a dumbass. Knowing nothing of the situation I describe, you project your moronic belief system and preconceptions into it.

Point of fact--The idiot I watched had had a knife, and was using it on his girlfriend when the cops showed up to intercede. Personally, I&#039;d have shot him and saved the public fisc the money to prosecute and incarcerate him. The cops you mocked could, and probably would today, have shot him and been well within their purview. As it was, he survived that encounter with reality, and went on to God knows what. Hopefully, he learned from it, but I doubt that he did. &quot;Frontier&quot; justice often ain&#039;t pretty.

Far from being an example of &quot;rights&quot; erosion, that was actually a fairly positive outcome. Similar situation just this past year resulted in a dead man outside a Safeway, rather than the cops controlling the situation physically. But, that&#039;s what you folks want, right? No police &quot;brutality&quot;? And, helpless little chickie cops that have no other option than to kill?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaikokumaniakku,</p>
<p>And, you&#8217;re a dumbass. Knowing nothing of the situation I describe, you project your moronic belief system and preconceptions into it.</p>
<p>Point of fact&#8211;The idiot I watched had had a knife, and was using it on his girlfriend when the cops showed up to intercede. Personally, I&#8217;d have shot him and saved the public fisc the money to prosecute and incarcerate him. The cops you mocked could, and probably would today, have shot him and been well within their purview. As it was, he survived that encounter with reality, and went on to God knows what. Hopefully, he learned from it, but I doubt that he did. &#8220;Frontier&#8221; justice often ain&#8217;t pretty.</p>
<p>Far from being an example of &#8220;rights&#8221; erosion, that was actually a fairly positive outcome. Similar situation just this past year resulted in a dead man outside a Safeway, rather than the cops controlling the situation physically. But, that&#8217;s what you folks want, right? No police &#8220;brutality&#8221;? And, helpless little chickie cops that have no other option than to kill?</p>
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		<title>By: Gaikokumaniakku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaikokumaniakku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the older, non-involved deputy walked up, gently toed one of them, and said something to the effect of “Told ya what to do, you didn’t listen to me… Carl here used to be the pugil stick champeen in the ‘Corps…&quot;

1776: The Founding Fathers start a bloody revolution to throw off the brutality of British oppression.

1976: The degenerate heirs of the USA sink into brutality to rival that of the British, and Kirk cheers.

The USA was founded on the idea of natural rights inherent to the individual.  Police brutality is contrary to human rights. Celebration of police brutality is un-American.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the older, non-involved deputy walked up, gently toed one of them, and said something to the effect of “Told ya what to do, you didn’t listen to me… Carl here used to be the pugil stick champeen in the ‘Corps…&#8221;</p>
<p>1776: The Founding Fathers start a bloody revolution to throw off the brutality of British oppression.</p>
<p>1976: The degenerate heirs of the USA sink into brutality to rival that of the British, and Kirk cheers.</p>
<p>The USA was founded on the idea of natural rights inherent to the individual.  Police brutality is contrary to human rights. Celebration of police brutality is un-American.</p>
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		<title>By: ASM826</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shotgun ammo has changed markedly. Federal Flitecontrol has doubled the effective range of buckshot. Here&#039;s the article with target comparison pictures from BoxO&#039;Truth. https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-56-federal-flight-control-1-buckshot/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shotgun ammo has changed markedly. Federal Flitecontrol has doubled the effective range of buckshot. Here&#8217;s the article with target comparison pictures from BoxO&#8217;Truth. <a href="https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-56-federal-flight-control-1-buckshot/" >https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-56-federal-flight-control-1-buckshot/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow... Talk about a blast from the past.

I&#039;m a little iffy on the ballistics, there, myself--I get the impression that the people behind the film were selling something, or had an axe to grind. At those ranges, it&#039;s been my experience that the shotgun pellets are usually in a much tighter pattern than they demonstrate, but who&#039;s to say what improvements have been made in wadding and choke bores on riot guns? I know my Benelli M1 didn&#039;t do that sort of thing--At the ranges shown, my patterns have been more like man-size, not minute-of-sidewalk.

It&#039;s interesting, too--The two cops with the &quot;resisting&quot; suspect at about the 8:00 mark? LOL... I watched a pair of sheriff&#039;s deputies back then deal with a similar situation. The two &quot;resisters&quot; weren&#039;t shot, but they sure as hell learned the effects of a shotgun buttplate to the body and head. One deputy, one shotgun, two &quot;resisting arrest&quot; types=broken arm, many broken ribs, and I believe a couple of skull fractures. It was kind of hard to tell--too much blood coming from the dudes head, which had about a six-inch skin avulsion hanging over his eyes. The second deputy just hung back and watched the fun, didn&#039;t even draw his pistol. After it was all over, and the two idiots were on the ground, the older, non-involved deputy walked up, gently toed one of them, and said something to the effect of &quot;Told ya what to do, you didn&#039;t listen to me... Carl here used to be the pugil stick champeen in the &#039;Corps...&quot;.

Ah, the 1970s, when men were men, and police brutality in rural areas of the Northwest was merely something people talked about being a problem if the cops beat someone to death...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; Talk about a blast from the past.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little iffy on the ballistics, there, myself&#8211;I get the impression that the people behind the film were selling something, or had an axe to grind. At those ranges, it&#8217;s been my experience that the shotgun pellets are usually in a much tighter pattern than they demonstrate, but who&#8217;s to say what improvements have been made in wadding and choke bores on riot guns? I know my Benelli M1 didn&#8217;t do that sort of thing&#8211;At the ranges shown, my patterns have been more like man-size, not minute-of-sidewalk.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting, too&#8211;The two cops with the &#8220;resisting&#8221; suspect at about the 8:00 mark? LOL&#8230; I watched a pair of sheriff&#8217;s deputies back then deal with a similar situation. The two &#8220;resisters&#8221; weren&#8217;t shot, but they sure as hell learned the effects of a shotgun buttplate to the body and head. One deputy, one shotgun, two &#8220;resisting arrest&#8221; types=broken arm, many broken ribs, and I believe a couple of skull fractures. It was kind of hard to tell&#8211;too much blood coming from the dudes head, which had about a six-inch skin avulsion hanging over his eyes. The second deputy just hung back and watched the fun, didn&#8217;t even draw his pistol. After it was all over, and the two idiots were on the ground, the older, non-involved deputy walked up, gently toed one of them, and said something to the effect of &#8220;Told ya what to do, you didn&#8217;t listen to me&#8230; Carl here used to be the pugil stick champeen in the &#8216;Corps&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ah, the 1970s, when men were men, and police brutality in rural areas of the Northwest was merely something people talked about being a problem if the cops beat someone to death&#8230;</p>
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