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	<title>Comments on: Having Will Smith as the star is the antidote</title>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2607499</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t watched &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Badlands_(TV_series)&quot;&gt;Into the Badlands&lt;/a&gt;. Should I?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t watched <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Badlands_(TV_series)">Into the Badlands</a>. Should I?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2606995</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2018 20:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the cyberpunk categorization. I wouldn&#039;t have got that but it seems apposite.

Anyone here seen Badlands? It reminded me why I would not care to live in a post-apocalyptic feudal society. Lacking even rudimentary social bonds of religion, common ethnicity, or both, the pomo version is a real hell for everybody without power or military skills. At least real feudalism left something in common between master and peasant, even if it was just the last judgment or common ancestors in the forests of Germany.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the cyberpunk categorization. I wouldn&#8217;t have got that but it seems apposite.</p>
<p>Anyone here seen Badlands? It reminded me why I would not care to live in a post-apocalyptic feudal society. Lacking even rudimentary social bonds of religion, common ethnicity, or both, the pomo version is a real hell for everybody without power or military skills. At least real feudalism left something in common between master and peasant, even if it was just the last judgment or common ancestors in the forests of Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2606892</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2018 12:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly, Buckethead. &lt;cite&gt;Bright&lt;/cite&gt; looks just like &lt;cite&gt;Shadowrun&lt;/cite&gt; &#8212; which you can confirm by looking at the cover art for the most recent edition&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://amzn.to/2DXSwHD&quot;&gt;beginner box set&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Buckethead. <cite>Bright</cite> looks just like <cite>Shadowrun</cite> &mdash; which you can confirm by looking at the cover art for the most recent edition&#8217;s <a href="http://amzn.to/2DXSwHD">beginner box set</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Buckethead</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2606783</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckethead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2018 03:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s like a low tech version of the old shadow run game from FASA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s like a low tech version of the old shadow run game from FASA.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2606715</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2018 00:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess we had to expect the &quot;orcs aren&#039;t evil, they&#039;re just misunderstood&quot; movement, right? I&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;ve even &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IZombie_(TV_series)&quot;&gt;humanized zombies&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we had to expect the &#8220;orcs aren&#8217;t evil, they&#8217;re just misunderstood&#8221; movement, right? I&#8217;m pretty sure they&#8217;ve even <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IZombie_(TV_series)">humanized zombies</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2606712</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2018 00:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It took me a while to put my finger on it, but I realized &lt;cite&gt;Bright&lt;/cite&gt; is a cyberpunk movie, only with magical elves instead of high-tech corporate ninjas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a while to put my finger on it, but I realized <cite>Bright</cite> is a cyberpunk movie, only with magical elves instead of high-tech corporate ninjas.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2606403</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A buck sergeant is simply a plain ol&#039; sergeant, three stripes, rather than one of the higher-ranking variants, like staff sergeant, sergeant first class, master sergeant, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A buck sergeant is simply a plain ol&#8217; sergeant, three stripes, rather than one of the higher-ranking variants, like staff sergeant, sergeant first class, master sergeant, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2606402</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the aliens of &lt;cite&gt;District 9&lt;/cite&gt; were refugees in a refugee camp. The critics assumed it was a movie about apartheid, but Steve Sailer referred to it as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/2009/08/neill-blomkamp%E2%80%99s-malthusian-fable-of-post-apartheid-johannesburg/&quot;&gt;Neill Blomkamp’s Malthusian fable of post-Apartheid Johannesburg&lt;/a&gt;. (That reminds me, I may need to see &lt;cite&gt;Elysium&lt;/cite&gt;, where he &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/2013/08/neill-blomkamp-fools-the-critics-again/&quot;&gt;fools the critics again&lt;/a&gt;.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the aliens of <cite>District 9</cite> were refugees in a refugee camp. The critics assumed it was a movie about apartheid, but Steve Sailer referred to it as <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2009/08/neill-blomkamp%E2%80%99s-malthusian-fable-of-post-apartheid-johannesburg/">Neill Blomkamp’s Malthusian fable of post-Apartheid Johannesburg</a>. (That reminds me, I may need to see <cite>Elysium</cite>, where he <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2013/08/neill-blomkamp-fools-the-critics-again/">fools the critics again</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2018/01/having-will-smith-as-the-star-is-the-antidote/comment-page-1/#comment-2606399</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, one of my favourite SF takes on alien contact, conflict and identity issues was in a short story whose title, author and publication I forget. It might have been in one of Pournelle&#039;s &quot;There Will be War&quot; anthologies in the 80s.

Some aliens show up and advise Earth that there is a great interstellar war going on and we need to get onside with them and let Earth be used as a weapons platform.

So a crew of aliens begins to construct an enormous weapons system on Earth.

It later becomes clear to Earth&#039;s leaders that they have misunderstood the scale of things- the weapons system is the equivalent of a machine gun nest and the alien commander [roughly put in the novel] is the interstellar equivalent of a buck sergeant. [I don&#039;t know if one can be a buck sergeant in military usage, but I think that&#039;s what the author wrote and the character said]. So the alien is not able to tell them much about the war.

So that put humans in their place right there. But there was more.

It turned out that all other humanoid life in the galaxy was silicon-based, and other sentient life based more on our biology was more non-human in form. I forget the former polity &#8212; something like the Biped Alliance or something. The latter power was almost certainly the &quot;Protoplasmic League&quot;.

Humanity was understandably confused by where its allegiance should lie, if with either, but was being pressed to choose.

Of course the whole thing was a barely veiled analogy for the plight of less developed cultures confronted by the great wars of the 20th century. Or for that matter of countless little tribes caught up in the wars of empire these past millennia. Still fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, one of my favourite SF takes on alien contact, conflict and identity issues was in a short story whose title, author and publication I forget. It might have been in one of Pournelle&#8217;s &#8220;There Will be War&#8221; anthologies in the 80s.</p>
<p>Some aliens show up and advise Earth that there is a great interstellar war going on and we need to get onside with them and let Earth be used as a weapons platform.</p>
<p>So a crew of aliens begins to construct an enormous weapons system on Earth.</p>
<p>It later becomes clear to Earth&#8217;s leaders that they have misunderstood the scale of things- the weapons system is the equivalent of a machine gun nest and the alien commander [roughly put in the novel] is the interstellar equivalent of a buck sergeant. [I don't know if one can be a buck sergeant in military usage, but I think that's what the author wrote and the character said]. So the alien is not able to tell them much about the war.</p>
<p>So that put humans in their place right there. But there was more.</p>
<p>It turned out that all other humanoid life in the galaxy was silicon-based, and other sentient life based more on our biology was more non-human in form. I forget the former polity &mdash; something like the Biped Alliance or something. The latter power was almost certainly the &#8220;Protoplasmic League&#8221;.</p>
<p>Humanity was understandably confused by where its allegiance should lie, if with either, but was being pressed to choose.</p>
<p>Of course the whole thing was a barely veiled analogy for the plight of less developed cultures confronted by the great wars of the 20th century. Or for that matter of countless little tribes caught up in the wars of empire these past millennia. Still fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting how SF has tackled these things before. 

I only dimly recall Alien Nation, but IIRC the aliens were both physically and mentally superior to humans but were relatively few in number and refugees from some more menacing conqueror species.

In District 9, the aliens were refugees/prisoners {?} who couldn&#039;t even run their tech, I think.

In Gene Roddenberry&#039;s Earth: The Final Conflict, the Taelons were super-advanced and benevolent in that sinister way aliens are when handing out goodies, and were hinted to be hiding from some worse foe.

Gordon R Dickson&#039;s Way of the Pilgrim, a classic of occupation literature in a SF context, the Aalaag are humanity&#039;s superiors in every possible way and are fully aware of this, and take great pains to be mysterious even to their human collaborators. Eventually it is revealed they also are afraid of something out there.

In none of these scenarios is the presence of the extraterrestrial species a unmixed benefit to humanity, or any benefit in most cases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how SF has tackled these things before. </p>
<p>I only dimly recall Alien Nation, but IIRC the aliens were both physically and mentally superior to humans but were relatively few in number and refugees from some more menacing conqueror species.</p>
<p>In District 9, the aliens were refugees/prisoners {?} who couldn&#8217;t even run their tech, I think.</p>
<p>In Gene Roddenberry&#8217;s Earth: The Final Conflict, the Taelons were super-advanced and benevolent in that sinister way aliens are when handing out goodies, and were hinted to be hiding from some worse foe.</p>
<p>Gordon R Dickson&#8217;s Way of the Pilgrim, a classic of occupation literature in a SF context, the Aalaag are humanity&#8217;s superiors in every possible way and are fully aware of this, and take great pains to be mysterious even to their human collaborators. Eventually it is revealed they also are afraid of something out there.</p>
<p>In none of these scenarios is the presence of the extraterrestrial species a unmixed benefit to humanity, or any benefit in most cases.</p>
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