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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2017/08/we-never-really-wanted-this/comment-page-1/#comment-2570195</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2017 00:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...Hannah-Jones adds that her daughter is thriving at school. “I know she’s learning a lot,”...&quot;

Vicious woman is torturing her child. Until it gets life-threatening the kid will probably stay quiet, because she knows how much her mother wants her there. I pity her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Hannah-Jones adds that her daughter is thriving at school. “I know she’s learning a lot,”&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Vicious woman is torturing her child. Until it gets life-threatening the kid will probably stay quiet, because she knows how much her mother wants her there. I pity her.</p>
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		<title>By: Adar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 16:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am totally clueless as to what this woman is trying to say. She says that segregated schools are unfair and unequal because they lack resources.

But she says her own daughter is going to a self-segregated school and is &quot;thriving&quot;. 

So what is her point?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am totally clueless as to what this woman is trying to say. She says that segregated schools are unfair and unequal because they lack resources.</p>
<p>But she says her own daughter is going to a self-segregated school and is &#8220;thriving&#8221;. </p>
<p>So what is her point?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 21:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m gonna go out on a limb, and probably be termed a racist for saying this, but I don&#039;t think that the pedagogical techniques that work with, say, Ashkenazi Jewry are really appropriate to another ethnic/genetic heritage that doesn&#039;t include a lengthy period of selection for introspective detail-oriented academics. Face facts, people--Cultures are related to genetics, one way or another: Either the genetics influence the culture, or the culture influences the genes. Either way, what is appropriate for someone whose ancestors were selected for lengthy periods of contemplating the Talmud is not likely to be appropriate for someone whose ancestral background was more in tune with pursuing game in a near-Stone Age environment on the African savanna. 

I think it&#039;s possible to educate anyone to take part in modern society; what isn&#039;t possible is to do it the same way for everyone, in lockstep with every classroom in the country. We&#039;ve got a widely differentiated population, and where a Chinese-American kid may be coming from a family background where generations studied for the Confucian exams, and has the background in terms of genetically-influenced characteristics that were selected for in that environment, the African-American kid he sits next to may not have the necessary features in the genes to be able to do the same things in the same sort of classroom.

I&#039;m not saying the African-American kid is stupid, or somehow a lesser human being, I&#039;m saying he or she may not have the genetic tool kit to be able to effectively benefit from the same sort of pedagogy the Chinese-American or Jewish kid has. Thus, the instructional technique needs to be adjusted, and brought into appropriate alignment with the things that African-American kid needs in order to achieve educational success.

The sort of thing I&#039;m talking about would be to shift from doing a bunch of rote, repetitive abstract work on paper using textbooks to doing things in a more active mode, like taking the kids out into the real world to see how things like algebra and general academics benefit them. One key thing I noticed as a trainer in the Army was that while I was often able to pull off the classic &quot;Because...&quot; justification for getting my white troops to pay attention and learn something, with a lot of my black guys, I had to actually show and justify it before they&#039;d knuckle down and actually learn something new. It&#039;s not that they&#039;re any less intelligent, either--It&#039;s just that there is something of a different quality to how blacks view the world, based on culture and I presume genetics. Hands-on training works better with a significant fraction of the black community that I&#039;ve worked with, and that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re stupid, either. It&#039;s just that they learn differently, and trying to pound the square peg into the round hole is a waste of time. I think we&#039;d be a hell of a lot more successful if we quit trying to make people fit into the educational system, and instead, fitted the educational system to the people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna go out on a limb, and probably be termed a racist for saying this, but I don&#8217;t think that the pedagogical techniques that work with, say, Ashkenazi Jewry are really appropriate to another ethnic/genetic heritage that doesn&#8217;t include a lengthy period of selection for introspective detail-oriented academics. Face facts, people&#8211;Cultures are related to genetics, one way or another: Either the genetics influence the culture, or the culture influences the genes. Either way, what is appropriate for someone whose ancestors were selected for lengthy periods of contemplating the Talmud is not likely to be appropriate for someone whose ancestral background was more in tune with pursuing game in a near-Stone Age environment on the African savanna. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s possible to educate anyone to take part in modern society; what isn&#8217;t possible is to do it the same way for everyone, in lockstep with every classroom in the country. We&#8217;ve got a widely differentiated population, and where a Chinese-American kid may be coming from a family background where generations studied for the Confucian exams, and has the background in terms of genetically-influenced characteristics that were selected for in that environment, the African-American kid he sits next to may not have the necessary features in the genes to be able to do the same things in the same sort of classroom.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the African-American kid is stupid, or somehow a lesser human being, I&#8217;m saying he or she may not have the genetic tool kit to be able to effectively benefit from the same sort of pedagogy the Chinese-American or Jewish kid has. Thus, the instructional technique needs to be adjusted, and brought into appropriate alignment with the things that African-American kid needs in order to achieve educational success.</p>
<p>The sort of thing I&#8217;m talking about would be to shift from doing a bunch of rote, repetitive abstract work on paper using textbooks to doing things in a more active mode, like taking the kids out into the real world to see how things like algebra and general academics benefit them. One key thing I noticed as a trainer in the Army was that while I was often able to pull off the classic &#8220;Because&#8230;&#8221; justification for getting my white troops to pay attention and learn something, with a lot of my black guys, I had to actually show and justify it before they&#8217;d knuckle down and actually learn something new. It&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re any less intelligent, either&#8211;It&#8217;s just that there is something of a different quality to how blacks view the world, based on culture and I presume genetics. Hands-on training works better with a significant fraction of the black community that I&#8217;ve worked with, and that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re stupid, either. It&#8217;s just that they learn differently, and trying to pound the square peg into the round hole is a waste of time. I think we&#8217;d be a hell of a lot more successful if we quit trying to make people fit into the educational system, and instead, fitted the educational system to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kentucky Headhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kentucky Headhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So race-hustler journalist refuses to admit that most blacks self-segregate by choice and not due to systemic racism, because that would basically end her scam/career. Goes so far as to sacrifice her own child&#039;s education/well-being in service to the narrative. Sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So race-hustler journalist refuses to admit that most blacks self-segregate by choice and not due to systemic racism, because that would basically end her scam/career. Goes so far as to sacrifice her own child&#8217;s education/well-being in service to the narrative. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: TweetWivMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>TweetWivMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By coincidence I listened to the Gladwell podcast on Brown vs Board of Education today. 

http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/13-miss-buchanans-period-of-adjustment

It promoted the view that black schools were great before, and that integration of children before integration of teachers/admins was a mistake. 

Seems like a narrative shift is going on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By coincidence I listened to the Gladwell podcast on Brown vs Board of Education today. </p>
<p><a href="http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/13-miss-buchanans-period-of-adjustment" >http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/13-miss-buchanans-period-of-adjustment</a></p>
<p>It promoted the view that black schools were great before, and that integration of children before integration of teachers/admins was a mistake. </p>
<p>Seems like a narrative shift is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Candide III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candide III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s revisit this in a few years. Breivik &lt;a href=&quot;https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/right-wing-terrorism-as-folk-activism.html&quot;&gt;wrote&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;Speaking of stubborn multiculturalists. I remember a story from the Oslo newspaper Aftenposten for approx. 6 months ago very good (I find, unfortunately, not this).

I can remember that it was a school in the City Center East, in a class where there was only a single Norwegian boy again (the majority were Muslims). Most others had taken their children out of school. The mother of this boy was, of course, a hardcore Marxist who died and life was to prove that multiculturalism and Islam will be functioning. She refused to move to another area or take him out of school. Her son would prove once and for all that Islamophobes on documents and other cultural conservatives were wrong and that it WAS possible.

The poor boy was harassed for several years until satisfactory one day he began to self harm. He told his marxistmor that he wanted to die. Only after this the mother realized that she had been wrong. The result was that they moved to another neighborhood and changing schools.

So one should not underestimate the fact how &quot;hardcore&quot; some of these kulturmarxistene is. I&#039;m sure some of these actually had sacrificed their own children just to prove this sick Marxist theory.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s revisit this in a few years. Breivik <a href="https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/right-wing-terrorism-as-folk-activism.html">wrote</a>:<br />
<blockquote>Speaking of stubborn multiculturalists. I remember a story from the Oslo newspaper Aftenposten for approx. 6 months ago very good (I find, unfortunately, not this).</p>
<p>I can remember that it was a school in the City Center East, in a class where there was only a single Norwegian boy again (the majority were Muslims). Most others had taken their children out of school. The mother of this boy was, of course, a hardcore Marxist who died and life was to prove that multiculturalism and Islam will be functioning. She refused to move to another area or take him out of school. Her son would prove once and for all that Islamophobes on documents and other cultural conservatives were wrong and that it WAS possible.</p>
<p>The poor boy was harassed for several years until satisfactory one day he began to self harm. He told his marxistmor that he wanted to die. Only after this the mother realized that she had been wrong. The result was that they moved to another neighborhood and changing schools.</p>
<p>So one should not underestimate the fact how &#8220;hardcore&#8221; some of these kulturmarxistene is. I&#8217;m sure some of these actually had sacrificed their own children just to prove this sick Marxist theory.</p></blockquote>
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