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	<title>Comments on: They don’t learn, because they are not the victims of their own mistakes</title>
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	<description>From the ancient Greek for equality in freedom of speech; an eclectic mix of thoughts, large and small</description>
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		<title>By: Space Nookie</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2017/08/they-dont-learn-because-they-are-not-the-victims-of-their-own-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-2570632</link>
		<dc:creator>Space Nookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One problem with a 1936 Rhineland intervention was the (high) probability of turning the German government over to a Moscow-aligned socialist party and a likely GE-RU military alliance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem with a 1936 Rhineland intervention was the (high) probability of turning the German government over to a Moscow-aligned socialist party and a likely GE-RU military alliance.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2017/08/they-dont-learn-because-they-are-not-the-victims-of-their-own-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-2570431</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2017 23:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And of course the interventions Taleb seems to be talking about aren&#039;t questions like-

&quot;is our peer competitor enemy from the war less than a generation ago gearing up for another run or just resuming normal sovereign operations?&quot; as in 1936 or indeed even &quot;are the border adjustments they want similar to those we have taken ourselves in the past and have given our allies in recent years?&quot; as in 1936.

They are more like the equivalent of endless British or French colonial wars. Now that&#039;s all fine and arguably a wholly legitimate use for professional, regular military forces, but it&#039;s not what the GOP or Democrats have been selling the past generation. 

It is not a perpetual 1938 [or 1936, or even 1947].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course the interventions Taleb seems to be talking about aren&#8217;t questions like-</p>
<p>&#8220;is our peer competitor enemy from the war less than a generation ago gearing up for another run or just resuming normal sovereign operations?&#8221; as in 1936 or indeed even &#8220;are the border adjustments they want similar to those we have taken ourselves in the past and have given our allies in recent years?&#8221; as in 1936.</p>
<p>They are more like the equivalent of endless British or French colonial wars. Now that&#8217;s all fine and arguably a wholly legitimate use for professional, regular military forces, but it&#8217;s not what the GOP or Democrats have been selling the past generation. </p>
<p>It is not a perpetual 1938 [or 1936, or even 1947].</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2017 23:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with David Foster up to a point, especially as he said Rhineland and not Munich.

I&#039;m not likely to be convinced that Chamberlain was wrong at Munich anymore, tolerably convinced that Britain gained more by 2 more years than Germany did.

But Rhineland. Maybe. Germany was pretty damned weak in 1936. 

But it still offers problems, though. Rhineland was German soil and although it was supposed to stay demilitarized it was still Germany. 18 years after the war ever fewer people in Britain or France seemed to buy the case that French security entitled them to dictate the location of German forces on German soil. 

A matter of nuance, perhaps. If the Germans started stationing huge forces, building scores of airfields, and so on, then it&#039;d look different. The sort of arguments we&#039;d have today over CFE issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with David Foster up to a point, especially as he said Rhineland and not Munich.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not likely to be convinced that Chamberlain was wrong at Munich anymore, tolerably convinced that Britain gained more by 2 more years than Germany did.</p>
<p>But Rhineland. Maybe. Germany was pretty damned weak in 1936. </p>
<p>But it still offers problems, though. Rhineland was German soil and although it was supposed to stay demilitarized it was still Germany. 18 years after the war ever fewer people in Britain or France seemed to buy the case that French security entitled them to dictate the location of German forces on German soil. </p>
<p>A matter of nuance, perhaps. If the Germans started stationing huge forces, building scores of airfields, and so on, then it&#8217;d look different. The sort of arguments we&#8217;d have today over CFE issues.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2017 13:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the other hand, the &lt;em&gt;failure&lt;/em&gt; to intervene can also have layers and layers of unpredictable consequences.  Consider, for example, the decision of France and Britain not to take military action at the time of German&#039;s Rhineland incursion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, the <em>failure</em> to intervene can also have layers and layers of unpredictable consequences.  Consider, for example, the decision of France and Britain not to take military action at the time of German&#8217;s Rhineland incursion.</p>
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		<title>By: Faze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2017 12:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whew. Reading Taleb calls for skill and practice. You have to learn how to skim through the hot air, signaling, temporizing and space-filling to identify the one sentence per page that&#039;s worth having read. He&#039;s one of those authors you don&#039;t really need to read in the original. You can get the gist from reviews and commentaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew. Reading Taleb calls for skill and practice. You have to learn how to skim through the hot air, signaling, temporizing and space-filling to identify the one sentence per page that&#8217;s worth having read. He&#8217;s one of those authors you don&#8217;t really need to read in the original. You can get the gist from reviews and commentaries.</p>
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