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		<title>By: Mike in Boston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matiej Ceglowski&#039;s piece &lt;a href=&quot;http://idlewords.com/2010/03/scott_and_scurvy.htm&quot;&gt;Scott and Scurvy&lt;/a&gt;, about how the relationship between ascorbic acid and scurvy was first discovered, and then essentially forgotten, should be required reading for anyone who thinks the history of science is one of never-ending progress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matiej Ceglowski&#8217;s piece <a href="http://idlewords.com/2010/03/scott_and_scurvy.htm">Scott and Scurvy</a>, about how the relationship between ascorbic acid and scurvy was first discovered, and then essentially forgotten, should be required reading for anyone who thinks the history of science is one of never-ending progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To clarify, that wasn&#039;t the author of &lt;cite&gt;Endurance&lt;/cite&gt;, Alfred Lansing, making that comment about glycogen in narwhal skin curing &quot;scorbutus&quot;; that was from the cited century-old &lt;cite&gt;JAMA&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=LUgcAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA520#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false&quot;&gt;piece&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;121. Animal Remedy for Scorbutus in Greenland.&lt;/strong&gt; &#8212; Bertelsen states that scorbutus is prevalent in Greenland, the very name Eskimo meaning &quot;eaters of raw meat.&quot; But, he adds, the natives have empirically found a remedy for the scurvy, namely, chewing the skin of the narwhal, the unicorn-whale. He describes research, with illustrations, showing that the skin of this fish contains a remarkable amount of glycogen, thus supplying sufficient quantities of a carbohydrate to cure the scorbutus. The walrus liver also contains much glycogen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can see why we no longer call them Eskimos &#8212; although &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo#Nomenclature&quot;&gt;that etymology doesn&#039;t seem to be correct&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Two principal competing etymologies have been proposed for the name &quot;Eskimo&quot;, both derived from the Innu-aimun (Montagnais) language, an Algonquian language of the Atlantic Ocean coast. The most commonly accepted today appears to be the proposal of Ives Goddard at the Smithsonian Institution, who derives the term from the Montagnais word meaning &quot;snowshoe-netter&quot; or &quot;to net snowshoes.&quot; The word assime·w means &quot;she laces a snowshoe&quot; in Montagnais. Montagnais speakers refer to the neighbouring Mi&#039;kmaq people using words that sound very much like eskimo.

In 1978, Jose Mailhot, a Quebec anthropologist who speaks Montagnais, published a paper suggesting that Eskimo meant &quot;people who speak a different language&quot;. French traders who encountered the Montagnais in the eastern areas, adopted their word for the more western peoples and spelled it as Esquimau in a transliteration.

Some people consider Eskimo derogatory because it is widely perceived to mean &quot;eaters of raw meat&quot; in Algonkian languages common to people along the Atlantic coast. One Cree speaker suggested the original word that became corrupted to Eskimo might have been askamiciw (which means &quot;he eats it raw&quot;); the Inuit are referred to in some Cree texts as askipiw (which means &quot;eats something raw&quot;).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m shocked that a scientific journal referred to the narwhal as a &lt;em&gt;fish&lt;/em&gt;.

It&#039;s fascinating to see that &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy#20th_century&quot;&gt;scurvy still wasn&#039;t understood&lt;/a&gt; in the early 20th Century: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;In 1927, Hungarian biochemist Szent-Györgyi isolated a compound he called &quot;hexuronic acid&quot;. Szent-Györgyi suspected hexuronic acid, which he had isolated from adrenal glands, to be the antiscorbutic agent, but he could not prove it without an animal-deficiency model. In 1932, the connection between hexuronic acid and scurvy was finally proven by American researcher Charles Glen King of the University of Pittsburgh. King&#039;s laboratory was given some hexuronic acid by Szent-Györgyi and soon established that it was the sought-after anti-scorbutic agent. Because of this, hexuronic acid was subsequently renamed &lt;em&gt;ascorbic acid&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, that wasn&#8217;t the author of <cite>Endurance</cite>, Alfred Lansing, making that comment about glycogen in narwhal skin curing &#8220;scorbutus&#8221;; that was from the cited century-old <cite>JAMA</cite> <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=LUgcAQAAMAAJ&#038;pg=PA520#v=onepage&#038;q&#038;f=false">piece</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p><strong>121. Animal Remedy for Scorbutus in Greenland.</strong> &mdash; Bertelsen states that scorbutus is prevalent in Greenland, the very name Eskimo meaning &#8220;eaters of raw meat.&#8221; But, he adds, the natives have empirically found a remedy for the scurvy, namely, chewing the skin of the narwhal, the unicorn-whale. He describes research, with illustrations, showing that the skin of this fish contains a remarkable amount of glycogen, thus supplying sufficient quantities of a carbohydrate to cure the scorbutus. The walrus liver also contains much glycogen.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can see why we no longer call them Eskimos &mdash; although <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo#Nomenclature">that etymology doesn&#8217;t seem to be correct</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Two principal competing etymologies have been proposed for the name &#8220;Eskimo&#8221;, both derived from the Innu-aimun (Montagnais) language, an Algonquian language of the Atlantic Ocean coast. The most commonly accepted today appears to be the proposal of Ives Goddard at the Smithsonian Institution, who derives the term from the Montagnais word meaning &#8220;snowshoe-netter&#8221; or &#8220;to net snowshoes.&#8221; The word assime·w means &#8220;she laces a snowshoe&#8221; in Montagnais. Montagnais speakers refer to the neighbouring Mi&#8217;kmaq people using words that sound very much like eskimo.</p>
<p>In 1978, Jose Mailhot, a Quebec anthropologist who speaks Montagnais, published a paper suggesting that Eskimo meant &#8220;people who speak a different language&#8221;. French traders who encountered the Montagnais in the eastern areas, adopted their word for the more western peoples and spelled it as Esquimau in a transliteration.</p>
<p>Some people consider Eskimo derogatory because it is widely perceived to mean &#8220;eaters of raw meat&#8221; in Algonkian languages common to people along the Atlantic coast. One Cree speaker suggested the original word that became corrupted to Eskimo might have been askamiciw (which means &#8220;he eats it raw&#8221;); the Inuit are referred to in some Cree texts as askipiw (which means &#8220;eats something raw&#8221;).</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m shocked that a scientific journal referred to the narwhal as a <em>fish</em>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fascinating to see that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy#20th_century">scurvy still wasn&#8217;t understood</a> in the early 20th Century: </p>
<blockquote><p>In 1927, Hungarian biochemist Szent-Györgyi isolated a compound he called &#8220;hexuronic acid&#8221;. Szent-Györgyi suspected hexuronic acid, which he had isolated from adrenal glands, to be the antiscorbutic agent, but he could not prove it without an animal-deficiency model. In 1932, the connection between hexuronic acid and scurvy was finally proven by American researcher Charles Glen King of the University of Pittsburgh. King&#8217;s laboratory was given some hexuronic acid by Szent-Györgyi and soon established that it was the sought-after anti-scorbutic agent. Because of this, hexuronic acid was subsequently renamed <em>ascorbic acid</em>.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was nodding along with the Endurance author until: 

&quot;...“the skin [of the narwhal] contains a remarkable amount of glycogen, thus supplying sufficient quantities of a carbohydrate to cure the scorbutus...&quot;

Ah, carbohydrate is a scurvy cure. I guess that&#039;s why they call us &quot;crackers&quot;, eh?

More seriously, glycogen formed by eating protein and gluconeogenesis as well as &#039;eating carbs&#039;. I don&#039;t understand the vibe here. Sure, we should all store glycogen. And if we eat stored glycogen (internally or externally) we benefit. What&#039;s all this hissing and spitting and quibbling for? 

Then I went to the site you linked, and watched the frothing, snarky, do nothing backbiters have at each other in comments and I figured it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was nodding along with the Endurance author until: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;“the skin [of the narwhal] contains a remarkable amount of glycogen, thus supplying sufficient quantities of a carbohydrate to cure the scorbutus&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, carbohydrate is a scurvy cure. I guess that&#8217;s why they call us &#8220;crackers&#8221;, eh?</p>
<p>More seriously, glycogen formed by eating protein and gluconeogenesis as well as &#8216;eating carbs&#8217;. I don&#8217;t understand the vibe here. Sure, we should all store glycogen. And if we eat stored glycogen (internally or externally) we benefit. What&#8217;s all this hissing and spitting and quibbling for? </p>
<p>Then I went to the site you linked, and watched the frothing, snarky, do nothing backbiters have at each other in comments and I figured it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 17:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are genetic differences between Eskimos and other populations. What is the ideal diet for Eskimos is mot necessarily the ideal diet for Albanians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are genetic differences between Eskimos and other populations. What is the ideal diet for Eskimos is mot necessarily the ideal diet for Albanians.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 12:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should also mention these clinical case studies by the wonderful doctors at Paleomedicina in Hungary, who have successfully treated patients since 2011 using paleolithic ketogenic diets. In other words, all-meat or mostly all-meat. http://paleomedicina.com/en/?page=tartalom&amp;tipus=cikk

The Crohn&#039;s case in particular experienced drastic setbacks when he consumed plant matter. This is a common pattern it seems with anecdotes of Crohn&#039;s treatment online using low carb dieting.
http://crohnscarnivore.blogspot.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/comments/531fr2/i_have_crohns_disease_i_cant_eat_dairy_fruits_or/
etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also mention these clinical case studies by the wonderful doctors at Paleomedicina in Hungary, who have successfully treated patients since 2011 using paleolithic ketogenic diets. In other words, all-meat or mostly all-meat. <a href="http://paleomedicina.com/en/?page=tartalom&#038;tipus=cikk" >http://paleomedicina.com/en/?page=tartalom&#038;tipus=cikk</a></p>
<p>The Crohn&#8217;s case in particular experienced drastic setbacks when he consumed plant matter. This is a common pattern it seems with anecdotes of Crohn&#8217;s treatment online using low carb dieting.<br />
<a href="http://crohnscarnivore.blogspot.com/" >http://crohnscarnivore.blogspot.com/</a><br />
<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/comments/531fr2/i_have_crohns_disease_i_cant_eat_dairy_fruits_or/" >https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb/comments/531fr2/i_have_crohns_disease_i_cant_eat_dairy_fruits_or/</a><br />
etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2017 12:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not a particularly convincing article. I think Dr. Michael Eades further responded here: https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2014/04/18/beware-confirmation-bias/

More important, to me, is that authors like the above seem to completely reject or ignore a vast amount of anecdotal evidence of people radically improving their health through all-meat diets.

See:
Amber O&#039;Hearn
http://www.ketotic.org/ (One of the best science blogs on the Internet)
http://www.empiri.ca/
http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2017/05/20/amber-ohearn-carnivore-health/
She lost a lot of weight and overcame acute mental health symptoms, which become present again if she eats any plants.

Interviews and testimonials here:
https://zerocarbzen.com/

Thousands of people in this Facebook group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/zioh2/

Owsley &quot;The Bear&quot; Stanley:
http://highsteaks.com/carnivores-creed/owsley-the-bear-stanley/
http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22-0-0-asc-.php
He is better known as the LSD manufacturer and Grateful Dead sound engineer. He lived a long healthy life, the last 50 years of which were on an all-meat diet.

Shawn Baker:
https://twitter.com/SBakerMD
This 50-year old orthopedic surgeon is also a lifelong athlete. He did much better on keto, but on the switch to all-meat, he has only gotten leaner and stronger. He is now leading an online study called &quot;nequalsmany&quot; to try to quantify this anecdotal data, with hundreds of participants. http://nequalsmany.com/

Other groups around the world historically ate all-meat diets, too.
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/all-meat-diets/

Also see this to help understand why vegetables are not necessary or even necessarily beneficial (and perhaps even very costly and damaging):
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/vegetables/

So did the Inuit maybe have some carbs in their diet from the animal tissue they ate? Sure, I don&#039;t know. I wasn&#039;t there. Is there still substantial evidence from an incredible number of people&#039;s real lived experience, including dozens of people I&#039;ve personally witness transform? Yes.

Honest scientists should be investigating all-meat diets with intense rigor, and the failure to do so is a tragedy for modern medicine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not a particularly convincing article. I think Dr. Michael Eades further responded here: <a href="https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2014/04/18/beware-confirmation-bias/" >https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2014/04/18/beware-confirmation-bias/</a></p>
<p>More important, to me, is that authors like the above seem to completely reject or ignore a vast amount of anecdotal evidence of people radically improving their health through all-meat diets.</p>
<p>See:<br />
Amber O&#8217;Hearn<br />
<a href="http://www.ketotic.org/" >http://www.ketotic.org/</a> (One of the best science blogs on the Internet)<br />
<a href="http://www.empiri.ca/" >http://www.empiri.ca/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2017/05/20/amber-ohearn-carnivore-health/" >http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2017/05/20/amber-ohearn-carnivore-health/</a><br />
She lost a lot of weight and overcame acute mental health symptoms, which become present again if she eats any plants.</p>
<p>Interviews and testimonials here:<br />
<a href="https://zerocarbzen.com/" >https://zerocarbzen.com/</a></p>
<p>Thousands of people in this Facebook group:<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/zioh2/" >https://www.facebook.com/groups/zioh2/</a></p>
<p>Owsley &#8220;The Bear&#8221; Stanley:<br />
<a href="http://highsteaks.com/carnivores-creed/owsley-the-bear-stanley/" >http://highsteaks.com/carnivores-creed/owsley-the-bear-stanley/</a><br />
<a href="http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22-0-0-asc-.php" >http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22-0-0-asc-.php</a><br />
He is better known as the LSD manufacturer and Grateful Dead sound engineer. He lived a long healthy life, the last 50 years of which were on an all-meat diet.</p>
<p>Shawn Baker:<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/SBakerMD" >https://twitter.com/SBakerMD</a><br />
This 50-year old orthopedic surgeon is also a lifelong athlete. He did much better on keto, but on the switch to all-meat, he has only gotten leaner and stronger. He is now leading an online study called &#8220;nequalsmany&#8221; to try to quantify this anecdotal data, with hundreds of participants. <a href="http://nequalsmany.com/" >http://nequalsmany.com/</a></p>
<p>Other groups around the world historically ate all-meat diets, too.<br />
<a href="http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/all-meat-diets/" >http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/all-meat-diets/</a></p>
<p>Also see this to help understand why vegetables are not necessary or even necessarily beneficial (and perhaps even very costly and damaging):<br />
<a href="http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/vegetables/" >http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/vegetables/</a></p>
<p>So did the Inuit maybe have some carbs in their diet from the animal tissue they ate? Sure, I don&#8217;t know. I wasn&#8217;t there. Is there still substantial evidence from an incredible number of people&#8217;s real lived experience, including dozens of people I&#8217;ve personally witness transform? Yes.</p>
<p>Honest scientists should be investigating all-meat diets with intense rigor, and the failure to do so is a tragedy for modern medicine.</p>
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