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	<title>Comments on: African farmers’ kids conquer the marshmallow test</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2017 17:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since they have smaller brains and less complex behaviors Africans develop more quickly. The mismatch in development level won&#039;t show up on a test of intelligence but it will show up on a test of emotional development.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since they have smaller brains and less complex behaviors Africans develop more quickly. The mismatch in development level won&#8217;t show up on a test of intelligence but it will show up on a test of emotional development.</p>
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		<title>By: Talnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2017 01:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we are missing the bigger picture here. The Nso kids aren&#039;t getting enough sleep.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are missing the bigger picture here. The Nso kids aren&#8217;t getting enough sleep.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 21:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real question isn&#039;t in how long the kid waits under supervision, but whether or not the &quot;delayed gratification&quot; that&#039;s going on is something that the kid can work out for themselves and then implement. This is an interesting indicator, but I suspect that there&#039;s less of significance going on here than we might think. The results can be seen in the societies formed by the adults raising these kids. Sure, the kid may wait for a treat, but can the adult put off reward for long-term benefits? Can the adult differentiate between pleasure/pain now vs. distant planned reward?

Friend of mine did a lot of reading in anthropology because he was a Green Beret, and was puzzled by the differences he found working in Southeast Asia and Africa vs. the predominantly North European culture he grew up in. What he concluded was that the vastly different societies stemmed from one thing, and one thing only: The necessity to prepare and plan for long winters. In the tropics, the feckless can merely move a few miles, and find more abundant food sources. In the north? You fail to plan and prepare, you&#039;re going to freeze to death after eating your kids, especially in the agrarian cultures. In Africa and many of the Asian cultures he worked in, you would go and say &quot;Hey, let&#039;s work on building this X so life can be better in a year...&quot;, and the locals would look at him as though they thought him mad. Their horizon for &quot;future benefit&quot; is nearly instantaneous, while the long-term is something that will take care of itself. The enervating effects of hot weather, rain, and disease were also features he identified as problematic--The landscape is lush, food is easy to find, but the inability to build anything that lasts leads to a passive lassitude about things like building and maintaining roads.

So, TL;DR--This is interesting, but I&#039;m not sure that it really tells us much about things of significance. Children who can wait ten minutes for a second treat may not grow up into adults who can plan and actually execute, when working towards long-term goals. It&#039;s the patience of the hunter compared to the patience of a farmer...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question isn&#8217;t in how long the kid waits under supervision, but whether or not the &#8220;delayed gratification&#8221; that&#8217;s going on is something that the kid can work out for themselves and then implement. This is an interesting indicator, but I suspect that there&#8217;s less of significance going on here than we might think. The results can be seen in the societies formed by the adults raising these kids. Sure, the kid may wait for a treat, but can the adult put off reward for long-term benefits? Can the adult differentiate between pleasure/pain now vs. distant planned reward?</p>
<p>Friend of mine did a lot of reading in anthropology because he was a Green Beret, and was puzzled by the differences he found working in Southeast Asia and Africa vs. the predominantly North European culture he grew up in. What he concluded was that the vastly different societies stemmed from one thing, and one thing only: The necessity to prepare and plan for long winters. In the tropics, the feckless can merely move a few miles, and find more abundant food sources. In the north? You fail to plan and prepare, you&#8217;re going to freeze to death after eating your kids, especially in the agrarian cultures. In Africa and many of the Asian cultures he worked in, you would go and say &#8220;Hey, let&#8217;s work on building this X so life can be better in a year&#8230;&#8221;, and the locals would look at him as though they thought him mad. Their horizon for &#8220;future benefit&#8221; is nearly instantaneous, while the long-term is something that will take care of itself. The enervating effects of hot weather, rain, and disease were also features he identified as problematic&#8211;The landscape is lush, food is easy to find, but the inability to build anything that lasts leads to a passive lassitude about things like building and maintaining roads.</p>
<p>So, TL;DR&#8211;This is interesting, but I&#8217;m not sure that it really tells us much about things of significance. Children who can wait ten minutes for a second treat may not grow up into adults who can plan and actually execute, when working towards long-term goals. It&#8217;s the patience of the hunter compared to the patience of a farmer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aretae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aretae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 19:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patience is highly correlated with IQ among similarly-typed kids.   

Patience tends to predict life-success better than IQ.   But there&#039;s massive overlap usually.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patience is highly correlated with IQ among similarly-typed kids.   </p>
<p>Patience tends to predict life-success better than IQ.   But there&#8217;s massive overlap usually.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2017/06/african-farmers-kids-conquer-the-marshmallow-test/comment-page-1/#comment-2562685</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how patience correlates with other forms of intelligence but colour me unsurprised that African kids can display greater stoicism and discipline that contemporary European or American kids. I&#039;d have been shocked by any other result.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how patience correlates with other forms of intelligence but colour me unsurprised that African kids can display greater stoicism and discipline that contemporary European or American kids. I&#8217;d have been shocked by any other result.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How long until Chanda Chisala uses this as evidence that Africans are just as smart as anyone else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long until Chanda Chisala uses this as evidence that Africans are just as smart as anyone else?</p>
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