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		<title>By: Grasspunk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2017/01/a-remote-event-but-one-with-a-very-severe-downside/comment-page-1/#comment-2538953</link>
		<dc:creator>Grasspunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t know you could buy citizenship in NZ. I&#039;d guess any Silicon Valley estate-buyers would be getting places in the remote parts of the South Island, which is more white than the North.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know you could buy citizenship in NZ. I&#8217;d guess any Silicon Valley estate-buyers would be getting places in the remote parts of the South Island, which is more white than the North.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rogers 42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rogers 42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 01:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NZ is very low on Dindus and border bandits, as Nookie mentioned.  Saw &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Were_Warriors_(film)&quot;&gt;this flick about Maoris&lt;/a&gt;, though. They may need some &lt;em&gt;attention&lt;/em&gt; after SHTF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ is very low on Dindus and border bandits, as Nookie mentioned.  Saw <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Were_Warriors_(film)">this flick about Maoris</a>, though. They may need some <em>attention</em> after SHTF.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Nookie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Space Nookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Zealand is English speaking, and they let you buy citizenship. Very few NAMs, although people will probably only talk about it indirectly (low crime rate, good education). Good infrastructure and low corruption in the government (again, few NAMs).

This article doesn&#039;t talk much about the everyday security environment for &quot;Silicon Valley billionaires&quot;; I assume most are covered 24/7 by some kind of armed security.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Zealand is English speaking, and they let you buy citizenship. Very few NAMs, although people will probably only talk about it indirectly (low crime rate, good education). Good infrastructure and low corruption in the government (again, few NAMs).</p>
<p>This article doesn&#8217;t talk much about the everyday security environment for &#8220;Silicon Valley billionaires&#8221;; I assume most are covered 24/7 by some kind of armed security.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 01:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NZ is more distant from everything than Australia. Look at a Globe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ is more distant from everything than Australia. Look at a Globe.</p>
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		<title>By: Grasspunk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2017/01/a-remote-event-but-one-with-a-very-severe-downside/comment-page-1/#comment-2538135</link>
		<dc:creator>Grasspunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2017 08:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LL, I guess it is unimportant enough to not be a nuclear target. But so are many, many places around the world. Maybe it is &quot;speaks English but not a target&quot;. But then why not Australia, or the Isle of Wight or Isle of Man, or Scotland, Ireland, Wales or even the aforementioned Idaho? Maybe NZ is just trendy for no real reason except everyone else seems to be doing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LL, I guess it is unimportant enough to not be a nuclear target. But so are many, many places around the world. Maybe it is &#8220;speaks English but not a target&#8221;. But then why not Australia, or the Isle of Wight or Isle of Man, or Scotland, Ireland, Wales or even the aforementioned Idaho? Maybe NZ is just trendy for no real reason except everyone else seems to be doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2017 14:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil B., thanks for that link. Just had a quick look at the intro and his tone seems sane and informed, at least. 

I&#039;m no judge on his subsequent advice. I&#039;m going to last ~5 minutes if the balloon goes up, and not just because of needing some meds. I am under no illusions about that. 

That and, despair about leftism aside, the more or less complete loss of civilization and its records, achievement, and identity will probably not leave me in a good enough mood to care.

But I will probably read the book for self-improvement and on the off chance of help. Under those circumstances, every extra 5 minutes I remain around might just feel like some kind of win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil B., thanks for that link. Just had a quick look at the intro and his tone seems sane and informed, at least. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no judge on his subsequent advice. I&#8217;m going to last ~5 minutes if the balloon goes up, and not just because of needing some meds. I am under no illusions about that. </p>
<p>That and, despair about leftism aside, the more or less complete loss of civilization and its records, achievement, and identity will probably not leave me in a good enough mood to care.</p>
<p>But I will probably read the book for self-improvement and on the off chance of help. Under those circumstances, every extra 5 minutes I remain around might just feel like some kind of win.</p>
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		<title>By: LL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2017 01:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess it is because New Zealand is a &quot;civilized&quot; country far from the nuke clouds they think will engulf US, Europe, Asia...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it is because New Zealand is a &#8220;civilized&#8221; country far from the nuke clouds they think will engulf US, Europe, Asia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil B.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2017/01/a-remote-event-but-one-with-a-very-severe-downside/comment-page-1/#comment-2537952</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I smile at their naivety. OK, so they hunker down in their  bunkers for - what? - two, three years and then what?

Once they emerge, what will society and the environment be like? This &lt;a href=&quot;https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6e3oH1LuRvzeGZlTHRkeHZQSkk/edit&quot;&gt;free PDF book&lt;/a&gt; (warning: it is over 400 detailed and well thought out pages) describes a likely scenario of what a post-SHTF world may shape up to:

In short,the population will be battle hardened and experienced survivors. They will have shaken off the shackles of a centralised government and formed their own societies which will be remarkably disinclined to obey the instructions of their self styled betters. 

I doubt that the skills Mark Zukerberg has will be in great demand and again, I doubt that gold, dollar notes or other stuff that the rich place great store upon will be particularly appealing in exchange for food, shelter etc.

Unless and until they are able to recruit and maintain their own war bands (and once the restraints of their &#039;contract&#039; are unenforceable, will they not simply take what they want from the rich bunker owner?  And how do you store enough food etc. to maintain the numbers needed?) then they are unlikely to have the skills to survive or understand the changed conditions in the short time that they will have to adapt to the new reality of living in a post apocalypse world.

Should be fun!  &gt;};o)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smile at their naivety. OK, so they hunker down in their  bunkers for &#8211; what? &#8211; two, three years and then what?</p>
<p>Once they emerge, what will society and the environment be like? This <a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6e3oH1LuRvzeGZlTHRkeHZQSkk/edit">free PDF book</a> (warning: it is over 400 detailed and well thought out pages) describes a likely scenario of what a post-SHTF world may shape up to:</p>
<p>In short,the population will be battle hardened and experienced survivors. They will have shaken off the shackles of a centralised government and formed their own societies which will be remarkably disinclined to obey the instructions of their self styled betters. </p>
<p>I doubt that the skills Mark Zukerberg has will be in great demand and again, I doubt that gold, dollar notes or other stuff that the rich place great store upon will be particularly appealing in exchange for food, shelter etc.</p>
<p>Unless and until they are able to recruit and maintain their own war bands (and once the restraints of their &#8216;contract&#8217; are unenforceable, will they not simply take what they want from the rich bunker owner?  And how do you store enough food etc. to maintain the numbers needed?) then they are unlikely to have the skills to survive or understand the changed conditions in the short time that they will have to adapt to the new reality of living in a post apocalypse world.</p>
<p>Should be fun!  &gt;};o)</p>
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		<title>By: Grasspunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grasspunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2017 03:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do they pick New Zealand? Nothing against it, I was born there, but is there some detailed calculation that makes it ideal for preppers, kinda like the international version of Idaho?

And then I think of this little comedy ad from a few years back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo6fgZ-dbOw]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do they pick New Zealand? Nothing against it, I was born there, but is there some detailed calculation that makes it ideal for preppers, kinda like the international version of Idaho?</p>
<p>And then I think of this little comedy ad from a few years back: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo6fgZ-dbOw" >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo6fgZ-dbOw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2017 01:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This tells me that 50% of billionaires think that they will be safe and taken care of if the economy collapses. I wonder how this affects their behavior in investing, lobbying for changes in the law, working for open borders and unlimited immigration, etc.. I&#039;m guessing this will result in billionaires taking more chances, rather than being conservative, in how they through their weight around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This tells me that 50% of billionaires think that they will be safe and taken care of if the economy collapses. I wonder how this affects their behavior in investing, lobbying for changes in the law, working for open borders and unlimited immigration, etc.. I&#8217;m guessing this will result in billionaires taking more chances, rather than being conservative, in how they through their weight around.</p>
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