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	<title>Comments on: Why Socrates hated Democracy</title>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2016/11/why-socrates-hated-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-2523387</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2016 14:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/2016/04/wargaming-in-the-classroom-an-odyssey/&quot;&gt;Wargaming in the Classroom: An Odyssey&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Remarkably, four of the five Athenian teams actually attacked Syracuse on Sicily’s east coast! As they were all aware that such a course had led to an Athenian disaster 2,500 years before, I queried them about their decision. Their replies were the same: Each had noted that the Persians were stirring, which meant there was a growing threat to Athens’ supply of wheat from the Black Sea. As there was an abundance of wheat near Syracuse, each Athenian team decided to secure it as a second food source (and simultaneously deny it to Sparta and its allies) in the event the wheat from the Black Sea was lost to them. Along the way, two of the teams secured Pylos so as to raise helot revolts that would damage the Spartan breadbasket. Two of the teams also ended revolts in Corcyra, which secured that island’s fleet for Athenian purposes, and had the practical effect of blockading Corinth. So, it turns out there were a number of good strategic reasons for Athens to attack Syracuse. Who knew? Certainly not any War College graduate over the past few decades.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2016/04/wargaming-in-the-classroom-an-odyssey/">Wargaming in the Classroom: An Odyssey</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Remarkably, four of the five Athenian teams actually attacked Syracuse on Sicily’s east coast! As they were all aware that such a course had led to an Athenian disaster 2,500 years before, I queried them about their decision. Their replies were the same: Each had noted that the Persians were stirring, which meant there was a growing threat to Athens’ supply of wheat from the Black Sea. As there was an abundance of wheat near Syracuse, each Athenian team decided to secure it as a second food source (and simultaneously deny it to Sparta and its allies) in the event the wheat from the Black Sea was lost to them. Along the way, two of the teams secured Pylos so as to raise helot revolts that would damage the Spartan breadbasket. Two of the teams also ended revolts in Corcyra, which secured that island’s fleet for Athenian purposes, and had the practical effect of blockading Corinth. So, it turns out there were a number of good strategic reasons for Athens to attack Syracuse. Who knew? Certainly not any War College graduate over the past few decades.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Space Nookie</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2016/11/why-socrates-hated-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-2523345</link>
		<dc:creator>Space Nookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2016 12:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isegoria has an article somewhere on here about a bunch of history students wargaming the peloponnesian war. In short the Sicily venture turned out to be calculated and a good option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isegoria has an article somewhere on here about a bunch of history students wargaming the peloponnesian war. In short the Sicily venture turned out to be calculated and a good option.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2016/11/why-socrates-hated-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-2523288</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2016 10:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no doubt Alcibiades was a psychopath. Hence the strong hatred towards him. It was Alcibiades that pushed the great idea of attacking Syracuse. The failed Syracuse attack was THE downfall of Athens. The same Alcibiades went from city to city in the ancient world. In Sparta he was more Spartan than the Spartans. Changing his chameleon skin every time he moved somewhere else and betraying everyone he came in contact with. Alcibiades killed Athens with risky schemes to glorify himself.

Story of Alcibiades

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Alcibiades*.html

What did Plutarch have to say about him.

&quot;...He had, as they say, one power which transcended all others, and proved an implement of his chase for men: that of assimilating and adapting himself to the pursuits and lives of others, thereby assuming more violent changes than the chameleon. That animal, however, as it is said, is utterly unable to assume one colour, namely, white; but Alcibiades could associate with good and bad alike, and found naught that he could not imitate and practice. 5 In Sparta, he was all for bodily training, simplicity of life, and severity of countenance; in Ionia, for p65 luxurious ease and pleasure; in Thrace, for drinking deep; in Thessaly, for riding hard; and when he was thrown with Tissaphernes the satrap, he outdid even Persian magnificence in his pomp and lavishness. It was not that he could so easily pass entirely from one manner of man to another, nor that he actually underwent in every case a change in his real character; but when he saw that his natural manners were likely to be annoying to his associates, he was quick to assume any counterfeit exterior which might in each case be suitable for them...&quot;

http://www.ancient.eu.com/Alcibiades/

One thing not widely known is King Agis of Sparta hated Alcibiades because Alcibiades had a child by the Kings wife.

I have a theory that the period of time for the downfall of Empires is related to how long it takes psychopaths to move up the ladder of leadership. If a way is not found to restrain them the country disintegrates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt Alcibiades was a psychopath. Hence the strong hatred towards him. It was Alcibiades that pushed the great idea of attacking Syracuse. The failed Syracuse attack was THE downfall of Athens. The same Alcibiades went from city to city in the ancient world. In Sparta he was more Spartan than the Spartans. Changing his chameleon skin every time he moved somewhere else and betraying everyone he came in contact with. Alcibiades killed Athens with risky schemes to glorify himself.</p>
<p>Story of Alcibiades</p>
<p><a href="http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Alcibiades*.html" >http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Alcibiades*.html</a></p>
<p>What did Plutarch have to say about him.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;He had, as they say, one power which transcended all others, and proved an implement of his chase for men: that of assimilating and adapting himself to the pursuits and lives of others, thereby assuming more violent changes than the chameleon. That animal, however, as it is said, is utterly unable to assume one colour, namely, white; but Alcibiades could associate with good and bad alike, and found naught that he could not imitate and practice. 5 In Sparta, he was all for bodily training, simplicity of life, and severity of countenance; in Ionia, for p65 luxurious ease and pleasure; in Thrace, for drinking deep; in Thessaly, for riding hard; and when he was thrown with Tissaphernes the satrap, he outdid even Persian magnificence in his pomp and lavishness. It was not that he could so easily pass entirely from one manner of man to another, nor that he actually underwent in every case a change in his real character; but when he saw that his natural manners were likely to be annoying to his associates, he was quick to assume any counterfeit exterior which might in each case be suitable for them&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ancient.eu.com/Alcibiades/" >http://www.ancient.eu.com/Alcibiades/</a></p>
<p>One thing not widely known is King Agis of Sparta hated Alcibiades because Alcibiades had a child by the Kings wife.</p>
<p>I have a theory that the period of time for the downfall of Empires is related to how long it takes psychopaths to move up the ladder of leadership. If a way is not found to restrain them the country disintegrates.</p>
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		<title>By: A Boy and His Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Boy and His Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course the doctors all said they knew better and created policies that benefited doctors. And the philosophers all said they knew better and created policies that benefited philosophers. And the journalists said they knew better and created policies that benefited journalists. Does anyone really think that a 350bc doctor really knew all that much? Epistemology should be mandatory study in school so that people start to understand their limits and biases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the doctors all said they knew better and created policies that benefited doctors. And the philosophers all said they knew better and created policies that benefited philosophers. And the journalists said they knew better and created policies that benefited journalists. Does anyone really think that a 350bc doctor really knew all that much? Epistemology should be mandatory study in school so that people start to understand their limits and biases.</p>
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		<title>By: Bomag</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2016/11/why-socrates-hated-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-2516332</link>
		<dc:creator>Bomag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I eagerly embrace criticisms of mass democracy, but I&#039;ve also seen plenty of poor decisions made by experts and groups with restricted membership, so I&#039;m also sympathetic to the wisdom of crowds, and Buckley&#039;s adage that he&#039;d &quot;rather be ruled by the first one hundred names in the Manhattan phone book...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I eagerly embrace criticisms of mass democracy, but I&#8217;ve also seen plenty of poor decisions made by experts and groups with restricted membership, so I&#8217;m also sympathetic to the wisdom of crowds, and Buckley&#8217;s adage that he&#8217;d &#8220;rather be ruled by the first one hundred names in the Manhattan phone book&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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