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	<title>Comments on: Roddenberry and Heinlein</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2016/06/roddenberry-and-heinlein/comment-page-1/#comment-2477064</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2016 14:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This retard had a column to write, but Star Trek was, above all, dumbed-down James Blish, the way Hopalong Cassidy was dumbed-down Louis L&#039;Amour. Old Louis took the TV money and cursed the show. James Blish took the money and never, publicly, cursed the show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This retard had a column to write, but Star Trek was, above all, dumbed-down James Blish, the way Hopalong Cassidy was dumbed-down Louis L&#8217;Amour. Old Louis took the TV money and cursed the show. James Blish took the money and never, publicly, cursed the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kurt</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2016/06/roddenberry-and-heinlein/comment-page-1/#comment-2477004</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2016 04:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never heard of Gene Wolfe. Just checked at Amazon and saw he appears to write fantasy, so that explains my lack of reading him.

As to Poul Anderson, for some reason I have a confusion between Poul Anderson and Frederik Pohl. I also checked Amazon on Poul Anderson titles and none were familiar so I can&#039;t comment on him.

But since I mentioned Frederik Pohl let me say that his Heechee series was first rate and a similar accomplishment comparable to James Hogan&#039;s series of the Gentile Giants &#8212; two clever, well constructed Science Fiction epics that remain in one&#039;s mind for years.

I heard from a relative of A.E. van Vogt that he was dyslexic all his life and suffered for about a decade with dementia before his death. The relative called him Uncle Alfred and &lt;em&gt;never&lt;em&gt; read any of his short stories or novels, even though he sent many of them to his brother&#039;s family over decades. Talk about casting pearls before swine!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never heard of Gene Wolfe. Just checked at Amazon and saw he appears to write fantasy, so that explains my lack of reading him.</p>
<p>As to Poul Anderson, for some reason I have a confusion between Poul Anderson and Frederik Pohl. I also checked Amazon on Poul Anderson titles and none were familiar so I can&#8217;t comment on him.</p>
<p>But since I mentioned Frederik Pohl let me say that his Heechee series was first rate and a similar accomplishment comparable to James Hogan&#8217;s series of the Gentile Giants &mdash; two clever, well constructed Science Fiction epics that remain in one&#8217;s mind for years.</p>
<p>I heard from a relative of A.E. van Vogt that he was dyslexic all his life and suffered for about a decade with dementia before his death. The relative called him Uncle Alfred and <em>never</em><em> read any of his short stories or novels, even though he sent many of them to his brother&#8217;s family over decades. Talk about casting pearls before swine!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Scipio Americanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scipio Americanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A.E. van Vogt had some interesting ideas, but his prose certainly left something to be desired. 

Have you given Gene Wolfe or Poul Anderson a try?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.E. van Vogt had some interesting ideas, but his prose certainly left something to be desired. </p>
<p>Have you given Gene Wolfe or Poul Anderson a try?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kurt</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2016/06/roddenberry-and-heinlein/comment-page-1/#comment-2476687</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was an avid science fiction reader during high school in the 1950s but never liked Heinlein much even though I read much of his works preferring A.E. van Vogt and others. Was in college and the service when Star Trek was on TV so I missed it also. Now in my 70s I have the time to re-read some of my saved novels and have discovered that my taste in literature has vastly expanded and that I should let the past alone and just be a memory as I re-read a few A.E. van Vogt works and was terribly disappointed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was an avid science fiction reader during high school in the 1950s but never liked Heinlein much even though I read much of his works preferring A.E. van Vogt and others. Was in college and the service when Star Trek was on TV so I missed it also. Now in my 70s I have the time to re-read some of my saved novels and have discovered that my taste in literature has vastly expanded and that I should let the past alone and just be a memory as I re-read a few A.E. van Vogt works and was terribly disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Nookie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Space Nookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 04:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fun fact: fans have determined that a photon torpedo would detonate with a force equal to 50 megatons of TNT. The original enterprise carried 400 such weapons. The phaser banks were able to destroy &quot;half a continent in a concentrated bombardment&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun fact: fans have determined that a photon torpedo would detonate with a force equal to 50 megatons of TNT. The original enterprise carried 400 such weapons. The phaser banks were able to destroy &#8220;half a continent in a concentrated bombardment&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scipio Americanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scipio Americanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved that offhand mention of Matt talking to his dad via handheld mobile-phone, Purple Slog. A lot of Heinlein&#039;s best moments were like that (&#224; la &quot;the door irised open&quot;). 

The patrol was a subject of quite a few stories, many of which were about the social and organizational methods by which their impartiality were supposedly maintained, as well as one about one time when it almost failed.

Clicking through Isegoria&#039;s links, it looks like Manu Saadia is a not-very-bright utopian socialist, so I guess lack of penetrating analysis is to be expected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved that offhand mention of Matt talking to his dad via handheld mobile-phone, Purple Slog. A lot of Heinlein&#8217;s best moments were like that (&agrave; la &#8220;the door irised open&#8221;). </p>
<p>The patrol was a subject of quite a few stories, many of which were about the social and organizational methods by which their impartiality were supposedly maintained, as well as one about one time when it almost failed.</p>
<p>Clicking through Isegoria&#8217;s links, it looks like Manu Saadia is a not-very-bright utopian socialist, so I guess lack of penetrating analysis is to be expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Purple Slog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purple Slog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Written in 1948 &#8212; and it included the mobile phone idea! I loved this book. The Patrol was an outgrowth of the super-national organization that took over Nukes from Heinlein&#039;s short story &quot;Solution Unsatisfactory,&quot; which was written early during WW2. It was about the development and use of atomic weapons (dirty bombs, not fission or fusion bombs) and the governing aftermath. I think &quot;The Patrol&quot; was in a few other short stories or at least was mentioned in passing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Written in 1948 &mdash; and it included the mobile phone idea! I loved this book. The Patrol was an outgrowth of the super-national organization that took over Nukes from Heinlein&#8217;s short story &#8220;Solution Unsatisfactory,&#8221; which was written early during WW2. It was about the development and use of atomic weapons (dirty bombs, not fission or fusion bombs) and the governing aftermath. I think &#8220;The Patrol&#8221; was in a few other short stories or at least was mentioned in passing.</p>
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		<title>By: Scipio Americanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scipio Americanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2016 20:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get the impression from this excerpt that the author hasn&#039;t actually read those Heinlein juveniles, or maybe they just didn&#039;t pay much attention. 

The conflict between the Patrol&#039;s incredible power (via the nuclear monopoly) and its humanitarian aims is one of the central subjects of the books; they&#039;re an attempt to explain how such an organization might be made to &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; immediately start abusing it&#039;s power. 

At the time, Heinlein thought that something like the Patrol, some super-national organization with a monopoly on nuclear weaponry, would be necessary to prevent the annihilation of the human race. He later moved on from that opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the impression from this excerpt that the author hasn&#8217;t actually read those Heinlein juveniles, or maybe they just didn&#8217;t pay much attention. </p>
<p>The conflict between the Patrol&#8217;s incredible power (via the nuclear monopoly) and its humanitarian aims is one of the central subjects of the books; they&#8217;re an attempt to explain how such an organization might be made to <i>not</i> immediately start abusing it&#8217;s power. </p>
<p>At the time, Heinlein thought that something like the Patrol, some super-national organization with a monopoly on nuclear weaponry, would be necessary to prevent the annihilation of the human race. He later moved on from that opinion.</p>
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