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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2016/06/psychedelics-make-people-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-2477278</link>
		<dc:creator>Alrenous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charlton, your dogmatic Christianity is showing. Drugs aren&#039;t necessarily evil.

Indeed, used correctly, LSD is an exorcicotic. It can cure criminality. 

LSD is simply powerful. It stretches the brain. 

Since it produces permanent changes, using it more than necessary or with a stronger dose than necessarily is like hyperextending a joint. Yoga is good. Too much yoga is literally torture.

Humans vary a lot. Given constant doses, blood level changes in melatonin vary by a factor of 4000 across individuals. I don&#039;t think LSD is that variable, but maybe it is. Definitely, getting the dosing right should be left to a professional. Taking a randomly sized tab is a terrible idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlton, your dogmatic Christianity is showing. Drugs aren&#8217;t necessarily evil.</p>
<p>Indeed, used correctly, LSD is an exorcicotic. It can cure criminality. </p>
<p>LSD is simply powerful. It stretches the brain. </p>
<p>Since it produces permanent changes, using it more than necessary or with a stronger dose than necessarily is like hyperextending a joint. Yoga is good. Too much yoga is literally torture.</p>
<p>Humans vary a lot. Given constant doses, blood level changes in melatonin vary by a factor of 4000 across individuals. I don&#8217;t think LSD is that variable, but maybe it is. Definitely, getting the dosing right should be left to a professional. Taking a randomly sized tab is a terrible idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Charlton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2016 04:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Scott Alexander column is an example of failing to join the dots - this phenomenon is nothing new or mysterious. 

Think about it: a chemical substance causes permanent damage to some part of the body (in this case the brain). 

Q: What is this kind of substance called? A: A toxin, a poison. 

There are plenty of examples of toxins which cause permanent damage with a single dose. The &#039;change of personality&#039; is just a sensitive test of Permanent Brain Damage. 

For example, if someone has a stroke, e.g. a cerabral haemorrhage, this will usually cause a change of personality which family and friends can notice - not surprising conisdering the brain has been altered, and part of it destroyed (plus compensatory changes). 

Some of these drugs will presumbably be destroying some aspect of brain functioning, probably some structural damage is present but too small to be detectable with current technology.  

My point is that modern psychiatry has a long-standing tendency for giving a new name to and thereby making &#039;mysterious&#039; something which, plainly understood, is actually perfectly clear (and usually shocking). 

Another example (much commoner) is the way that the fact that *all* psychiatric drugs cause withdrawal symptions (more or less severe) is obscured. The SSRI &#039;antidepressants&#039; (e.g. Prozac) produce serious withdrawal problems in at least a quarter of long term users - this is drug withdrawal and leads to drug dependence - but it was cleverly re-named a &#039;discontinuation&#039; syndrome, as if it was something new and mysterious... 

But if SSRI problems are called withdrawal and dependence is the outcome - then it becomes clear that SSRIs produce worse dependence problems (on the whole) than the Benzodiazepiness (such as Valium) which are notoriously &#039;addictive&#039;. Both cause dependence, but SSRIs are worse. 

(The main difference on average is that Valium is usually pleasant to take - i.e. makes the user &#039;feel good&#039;, whereas Prozac is either neutral or somewhat unpleasant - makes the user &#039;feel bad&#039;. Psychiatrists regard this as a problem for Valium - they prefer to prescrive drugs that coonsistently make patients feel bad - e.g antipsychotics such as Abilify - the best selling drug in the world in recent times.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Scott Alexander column is an example of failing to join the dots &#8211; this phenomenon is nothing new or mysterious. </p>
<p>Think about it: a chemical substance causes permanent damage to some part of the body (in this case the brain). </p>
<p>Q: What is this kind of substance called? A: A toxin, a poison. </p>
<p>There are plenty of examples of toxins which cause permanent damage with a single dose. The &#8216;change of personality&#8217; is just a sensitive test of Permanent Brain Damage. </p>
<p>For example, if someone has a stroke, e.g. a cerabral haemorrhage, this will usually cause a change of personality which family and friends can notice &#8211; not surprising conisdering the brain has been altered, and part of it destroyed (plus compensatory changes). </p>
<p>Some of these drugs will presumbably be destroying some aspect of brain functioning, probably some structural damage is present but too small to be detectable with current technology.  </p>
<p>My point is that modern psychiatry has a long-standing tendency for giving a new name to and thereby making &#8216;mysterious&#8217; something which, plainly understood, is actually perfectly clear (and usually shocking). </p>
<p>Another example (much commoner) is the way that the fact that *all* psychiatric drugs cause withdrawal symptions (more or less severe) is obscured. The SSRI &#8216;antidepressants&#8217; (e.g. Prozac) produce serious withdrawal problems in at least a quarter of long term users &#8211; this is drug withdrawal and leads to drug dependence &#8211; but it was cleverly re-named a &#8216;discontinuation&#8217; syndrome, as if it was something new and mysterious&#8230; </p>
<p>But if SSRI problems are called withdrawal and dependence is the outcome &#8211; then it becomes clear that SSRIs produce worse dependence problems (on the whole) than the Benzodiazepiness (such as Valium) which are notoriously &#8216;addictive&#8217;. Both cause dependence, but SSRIs are worse. </p>
<p>(The main difference on average is that Valium is usually pleasant to take &#8211; i.e. makes the user &#8216;feel good&#8217;, whereas Prozac is either neutral or somewhat unpleasant &#8211; makes the user &#8216;feel bad&#8217;. Psychiatrists regard this as a problem for Valium &#8211; they prefer to prescrive drugs that coonsistently make patients feel bad &#8211; e.g antipsychotics such as Abilify &#8211; the best selling drug in the world in recent times.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hoyos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoyos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slovenian Guest:

Ha! Thanks for writing that, I actually did laugh out loud.

On to the topic at hand...

Part of the problem is that psychological definitions, except at extremes, of what constitutes health are far more broad and vague than any other branch of medicine. Not to mention a certain &quot;preciousness&quot; at changes in what might be called &quot;personal choice&quot; topics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slovenian Guest:</p>
<p>Ha! Thanks for writing that, I actually did laugh out loud.</p>
<p>On to the topic at hand&#8230;</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that psychological definitions, except at extremes, of what constitutes health are far more broad and vague than any other branch of medicine. Not to mention a certain &#8220;preciousness&#8221; at changes in what might be called &#8220;personal choice&#8221; topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read a book by Ronald Thomas West, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/Penucquem-Speaks-World-Different-Culture/dp/1419646745/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1465600408&amp;sr=1-1&amp;linkCode=ll1&amp;tag=isegoria0e-20&amp;linkId=f7a7eb365229c7ab7c69f5580a95c9ae&quot;&gt;Penucquem Speaks&lt;/a&gt;. Blackfeet Tribe understood this 200 years ago. I&#039;m talking about the relationships and the space time continuum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read a book by Ronald Thomas West, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Penucquem-Speaks-World-Different-Culture/dp/1419646745/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1465600408&#038;sr=1-1&#038;linkCode=ll1&#038;tag=isegoria0e-20&#038;linkId=f7a7eb365229c7ab7c69f5580a95c9ae">Penucquem Speaks</a>. Blackfeet Tribe understood this 200 years ago. I&#8217;m talking about the relationships and the space time continuum.</p>
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		<title>By: A Boy and His Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Boy and His Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And yet Scott Alexander became a polyamorist without the help of psychedelics, and that is normal while people who support space exploration and Ron Paul are weird.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet Scott Alexander became a polyamorist without the help of psychedelics, and that is normal while people who support space exploration and Ron Paul are weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Slovenian Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slovenian Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some would say too open, and by &quot;some&quot; I mean dolphins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some would say too open, and by &#8220;some&#8221; I mean dolphins.</p>
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