Levitt: You know, I actually never…That’s one result I don’t believe. I just fundamentally don’t believe that if you take undergrads and if you put them in the role of the prisoner versus the prison guard. It’s just, you know, I’ve never tried it but I just don’t believe that it’s real. And I think to get it you have to manipulate other things. It just doesn’t seem right to me that people are like that. And maybe that’s what’s so amazing about it, is that it really happens. And it was, I don’t know if you were with me by the time I was talking to it, a movie director from the BBC and he said he had tried to recreate that for the BBC and it got so ugly so quickly that he had to cancel the whole thing and they didn’t even do the show. But I don’t know…

Dubner: But wait, “got so ugly so quickly” connoting that it did happen, yes?

Levitt: Yeah, he said it was real, too. But a lot of times what I’ve found is that that when I try to do experiments as an economist that work great for psychologists, I cannot get them to work. And I really have come to believe that it’s because the people in the study are so keen on doing what the researcher wants them to do, and they think that the psychologist wants them to behave in one way, and they think the economist wants them to behave in a different way, and so it’s hard to reproduce some of those psychological findings. I’d love to do the prison study, and I’d love to do it in a way that was unbiased. And I just, it’s one thing, I would bet a lot of money that things wouldn’t turn out the way that they did in that old Zimbardo study.