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	<title>Comments on: The Brecher Two-Stage Martyr-Killer Theory of Insurgency</title>
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		<title>By: Toddy Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toddy Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;just how high a proportion of insurgencies, revolutions, and guerrilla wars are total failures?&quot;

Very true, and this is also one of the problems I have with William Lind&#039;s &quot;4th Generation War&quot; thesis. There&#039;s no doubt that Lind is on to something, and that modern media and the West&#039;s deranged immigration policies have added a new dimension to Low Intensity Conflict, but the simple fact of the matter is, most insurgencies still lose. The modern insurgent, while a formidable foe, is not unbeatable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;just how high a proportion of insurgencies, revolutions, and guerrilla wars are total failures?&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true, and this is also one of the problems I have with William Lind&#8217;s &#8220;4th Generation War&#8221; thesis. There&#8217;s no doubt that Lind is on to something, and that modern media and the West&#8217;s deranged immigration policies have added a new dimension to Low Intensity Conflict, but the simple fact of the matter is, most insurgencies still lose. The modern insurgent, while a formidable foe, is not unbeatable.</p>
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		<title>By: William Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;you still have to kill enough of the enemy to obtain victory&quot;

I think it depends; depending on historical trends, geographical accidents, and the like, the enemy may not be all that hungry for your territory, so that perhaps it suffices to convince him that holding on to you will be not just a significant military nuisance but a drain on the public treasury for at least the next generation. And internal politics and public choice theory tradeoffs change, too: in the 1700s a war whose aftermath involved handing out estates in Ireland as party favors might be a good way to strengthen a powerful coalition in England, but in the early 20th century probably everyone who mattered could see which way the wind was blowing and wanted sinecures and unaccountable aristocracy-of-pull power, putting a huge discount on open formal property rights that would just be taxed away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you still have to kill enough of the enemy to obtain victory&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it depends; depending on historical trends, geographical accidents, and the like, the enemy may not be all that hungry for your territory, so that perhaps it suffices to convince him that holding on to you will be not just a significant military nuisance but a drain on the public treasury for at least the next generation. And internal politics and public choice theory tradeoffs change, too: in the 1700s a war whose aftermath involved handing out estates in Ireland as party favors might be a good way to strengthen a powerful coalition in England, but in the early 20th century probably everyone who mattered could see which way the wind was blowing and wanted sinecures and unaccountable aristocracy-of-pull power, putting a huge discount on open formal property rights that would just be taxed away.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brookes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Brookes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2015 14:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we&#039;re being picky, the “Against the Empire’s will” clause is a bit questionable: the Government of Ireland Act was passed in 1914, but suspended because of Ulster disturbances and the First World War. Home Rule was less independence than the rebels wanted, but then so also was the 1921 Treaty &#8212; hence the Civil War.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E900003-001/&quot;&gt;debates over the Treaty&lt;/a&gt; make fascinating reading; I find I have to keep reminding myself that these people were actually serious and not some student union debating society.

I previously wrote about another peculiarity of the Irish independence process, and what it tells us about &lt;a href=&quot;https://improprietaryinfluence.wordpress.com/2014/03/30/the-causes-of-the-first-world-war/&quot;&gt;the causes of the First World War&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re being picky, the “Against the Empire’s will” clause is a bit questionable: the Government of Ireland Act was passed in 1914, but suspended because of Ulster disturbances and the First World War. Home Rule was less independence than the rebels wanted, but then so also was the 1921 Treaty &mdash; hence the Civil War.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E900003-001/">debates over the Treaty</a> make fascinating reading; I find I have to keep reminding myself that these people were actually serious and not some student union debating society.</p>
<p>I previously wrote about another peculiarity of the Irish independence process, and what it tells us about <a href="https://improprietaryinfluence.wordpress.com/2014/03/30/the-causes-of-the-first-world-war/">the causes of the First World War</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2015 08:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems the long way around Patton&#039;s principle.  In the end, after several phases of insurgency, you still have to kill enough of the enemy to obtain victory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the long way around Patton&#8217;s principle.  In the end, after several phases of insurgency, you still have to kill enough of the enemy to obtain victory.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 23:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Palestinian war was not a war for Palestine; it was until the recent Islamization surge a Marxist war to destroy Israel &#8212; the apostate of Socialism &#8212; transformed into an icon of the West and White Men. The War against Israel was a war within the Western Political World (including obviously Russia or the Soviet Union) by proxy.

Palestinians in fact only exist because Israel exists. Without Israel they would be just like Druzes, Bedouins, Kurds, Copts without any Social or Political Construction. They would be ruled by the Hashemite tribe, and no one would care if the king would killed 10x more of them.

All this is to say that the logistical base of the Palestinians is not in Palestine; it is in Western Leftism and now in Western Islamism. It doesn&#039;t seem the author understand this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Palestinian war was not a war for Palestine; it was until the recent Islamization surge a Marxist war to destroy Israel &mdash; the apostate of Socialism &mdash; transformed into an icon of the West and White Men. The War against Israel was a war within the Western Political World (including obviously Russia or the Soviet Union) by proxy.</p>
<p>Palestinians in fact only exist because Israel exists. Without Israel they would be just like Druzes, Bedouins, Kurds, Copts without any Social or Political Construction. They would be ruled by the Hashemite tribe, and no one would care if the king would killed 10x more of them.</p>
<p>All this is to say that the logistical base of the Palestinians is not in Palestine; it is in Western Leftism and now in Western Islamism. It doesn&#8217;t seem the author understand this.</p>
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		<title>By: Scipio Americanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scipio Americanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t read him very often anymore, but has Brecher ever explicitly acknowledged just how high a proportion of insurgencies, revolutions, and guerrilla wars are total failures?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t read him very often anymore, but has Brecher ever explicitly acknowledged just how high a proportion of insurgencies, revolutions, and guerrilla wars are total failures?</p>
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		<title>By: Toddy Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toddy Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brecher has a point, but it&#039;s important to note that the Irish would never have won had the British not been demoralized by WWI. Had the same thing happened in 1785, the result would have been precisely nothing. And the last time I checked, Israel was still there, and the Kra peninsula was still part of Thailand. Martyrs work best against an opponent that is already politically weak and divided, and that has a domestic faction that sympathizes with the rebels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brecher has a point, but it&#8217;s important to note that the Irish would never have won had the British not been demoralized by WWI. Had the same thing happened in 1785, the result would have been precisely nothing. And the last time I checked, Israel was still there, and the Kra peninsula was still part of Thailand. Martyrs work best against an opponent that is already politically weak and divided, and that has a domestic faction that sympathizes with the rebels.</p>
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