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		<title>By: AAB</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/12/the-divorce-surge-is-over/comment-page-1/#comment-1958353</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stateofourunions.org/2009/graphs/chart_8_GreatRecession.png&quot;&gt;graph&lt;/a&gt; that shows that while divorce is on the decline so is marriage.

As for the UK, here is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/resources/divorceandmarriagenumbers_tcm77-246442.png&quot;&gt;chart&lt;/a&gt; showing that both divorce and marriage rates are declining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another <a href="http://www.stateofourunions.org/2009/graphs/chart_8_GreatRecession.png">graph</a> that shows that while divorce is on the decline so is marriage.</p>
<p>As for the UK, here is a <a href="http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/resources/divorceandmarriagenumbers_tcm77-246442.png">chart</a> showing that both divorce and marriage rates are declining.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at this &lt;a href=&quot;https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/05/doubling-down/&quot;&gt;later post by Dalrock&lt;/a&gt;.

The issue is that the Wolfers article is both using bad data &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; failing to adjust to age-cohort effects of an aging population.&lt;blockquote&gt;Professor Steven Ruggles of the University of Minnesota has likewise refuted Miller’s claim that the public’s understanding has failed to keep up with what she asserts is settled science on divorce rates:

    The article recycles old research based on bad data. As Sheela Kennedy and I demonstrated in our recent article “&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Articles/breaking_up.pdf&quot;&gt;Breaking Up is Hard to Count: The Rise of Divorce in the United States, 1980-2010&lt;/a&gt;&quot; &lt;cite&gt;Demography&lt;/cite&gt; (2014), the much-vaunted decline in divorce is an artifact of bad data and poor measurement. As we show, the only reliable data on current U.S. divorce rates derive from the American Community Survey (ACS). Controlling for the aging of the married population, the ACS data reveal a continuing and dramatic increase in the risk of divorce since 1990. The rise of divorce is especially striking among older adults: among those aged 55 to 64, the divorce rate has quadrupled over the past three decades.

    The Miller article appears to be based mainly on a working paper by Betsy Stevenson and Justin Wolfers that first appeared in 2007 and then was published in an obscure British volume of collected essays in 2011. Wolfers is a contributor to the Upshot, but I don’t believe Miller actually interviewed him. I know he is well aware of more recent research based on new data, and I very much doubt that he would endorse the premise of the Miller article.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at this <a href="https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/05/doubling-down/">later post by Dalrock</a>.</p>
<p>The issue is that the Wolfers article is both using bad data <i>and</i> failing to adjust to age-cohort effects of an aging population.<br />
<blockquote>Professor Steven Ruggles of the University of Minnesota has likewise refuted Miller’s claim that the public’s understanding has failed to keep up with what she asserts is settled science on divorce rates:</p>
<p>    The article recycles old research based on bad data. As Sheela Kennedy and I demonstrated in our recent article “<a href="http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Articles/breaking_up.pdf">Breaking Up is Hard to Count: The Rise of Divorce in the United States, 1980-2010</a>&#8221; <cite>Demography</cite> (2014), the much-vaunted decline in divorce is an artifact of bad data and poor measurement. As we show, the only reliable data on current U.S. divorce rates derive from the American Community Survey (ACS). Controlling for the aging of the married population, the ACS data reveal a continuing and dramatic increase in the risk of divorce since 1990. The rise of divorce is especially striking among older adults: among those aged 55 to 64, the divorce rate has quadrupled over the past three decades.</p>
<p>    The Miller article appears to be based mainly on a working paper by Betsy Stevenson and Justin Wolfers that first appeared in 2007 and then was published in an obscure British volume of collected essays in 2011. Wolfers is a contributor to the Upshot, but I don’t believe Miller actually interviewed him. I know he is well aware of more recent research based on new data, and I very much doubt that he would endorse the premise of the Miller article.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Toddy Cat</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t looked at Dalrock&#039;s evidence, but if the NYT wants you to believe something, it&#039;s always a good idea to check the sources. They sometimes tell the truth, but only when they have to, or when it happens to benefit the Left...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t looked at Dalrock&#8217;s evidence, but if the NYT wants you to believe something, it&#8217;s always a good idea to check the sources. They sometimes tell the truth, but only when they have to, or when it happens to benefit the Left&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Candide III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candide III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dalrock &lt;a href=&quot;https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/ny-times-happy-talk-about-divorce/&quot;&gt;argues&lt;/a&gt; that this is just &#039;happy talk&#039; and not true, merely &#039;recycled old research based on bad data&#039;. Please refer to his article and the sources. For one thing, the data set on which NYT article is based does not survey a fixed set of states. American Community Survey divorce data does not show any decline on an age adjusted basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dalrock <a href="https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/ny-times-happy-talk-about-divorce/">argues</a> that this is just &#8216;happy talk&#8217; and not true, merely &#8216;recycled old research based on bad data&#8217;. Please refer to his article and the sources. For one thing, the data set on which NYT article is based does not survey a fixed set of states. American Community Survey divorce data does not show any decline on an age adjusted basis.</p>
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