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	<title>Comments on: The Limits of Expertise</title>
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		<title>By: T. Greer</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/06/the-limits-of-expertise/comment-page-1/#comment-1314896</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 02:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Candide:

IQ does follow normal distribution, gaussian type distribution. In that sense there are real experts in IQ. 

But that is simply in &lt;i&gt;assessing&lt;/i&gt; IQ. What is less clear is how IQ scores will affect a given individual or even a given society. We can pour over our cross sectional data and note all kinds of interesting correlations, but I don&#039;t put too much stock in these until they can be used predictavly (e.g. you can score a given individual&#039;s IQ, make predictions about his future life history, and then be vindicated as the years go on, or do more or less the same thing with entire nations or regions). Those tests have not been conducted yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candide:</p>
<p>IQ does follow normal distribution, gaussian type distribution. In that sense there are real experts in IQ. </p>
<p>But that is simply in <i>assessing</i> IQ. What is less clear is how IQ scores will affect a given individual or even a given society. We can pour over our cross sectional data and note all kinds of interesting correlations, but I don&#8217;t put too much stock in these until they can be used predictavly (e.g. you can score a given individual&#8217;s IQ, make predictions about his future life history, and then be vindicated as the years go on, or do more or less the same thing with entire nations or regions). Those tests have not been conducted yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Candide III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candide III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t agree. HBD and intelligence in the narrow sense (IQ measurement, outcomes) are a normal-validity environment. Maybe not as high-validity as mechanical engineering, but not in Freudianism territory either. IQ measurement has little to do with human psychology, unless you define psychology very broadly. You don&#039;t have to wonder about motivations etc. when assessing test results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree. HBD and intelligence in the narrow sense (IQ measurement, outcomes) are a normal-validity environment. Maybe not as high-validity as mechanical engineering, but not in Freudianism territory either. IQ measurement has little to do with human psychology, unless you define psychology very broadly. You don&#8217;t have to wonder about motivations etc. when assessing test results.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Nookie</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/06/the-limits-of-expertise/comment-page-1/#comment-1313018</link>
		<dc:creator>Space Nookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of this article: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/04/02/297839429/-so-you-think-youre-smarter-than-a-cia-agent&quot;&gt;So You Think You&#039;re Smarter Than A CIA Agent&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of this article: <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/04/02/297839429/-so-you-think-youre-smarter-than-a-cia-agent">So You Think You&#8217;re Smarter Than A CIA Agent</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Greer</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/06/the-limits-of-expertise/comment-page-1/#comment-1312796</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Very narrow experts, those who can avoid the limelight and keep to the shadows of academic obscurity, may accumulate expertise in such fields, but it does not propagate outwards and cannot be made use of in the wider community. Examples: HBD, intelligence, eugenics.&lt;/i&gt;

This is unproven. Indeed, given that HBD, intelligence, and eugenics fall into &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; of the categories (human psychology and complex systems) that define a &#039;zero validity&#039; environment, I am inclined to think these fields would do even &lt;i&gt;worse&lt;/i&gt; when field tested then most of the normal ones. 


But I suppose we could do a simple field test without any of the fancy social science methodology attached to test this out. I would love to see the HBD crew make a series of predictions about the world and its state over the next one, five, and fifteen years and see if they do any better than those relying on different frames of analysis. 

I am not holding my breath.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Very narrow experts, those who can avoid the limelight and keep to the shadows of academic obscurity, may accumulate expertise in such fields, but it does not propagate outwards and cannot be made use of in the wider community. Examples: HBD, intelligence, eugenics.</i></p>
<p>This is unproven. Indeed, given that HBD, intelligence, and eugenics fall into <i>both</i> of the categories (human psychology and complex systems) that define a &#8216;zero validity&#8217; environment, I am inclined to think these fields would do even <i>worse</i> when field tested then most of the normal ones. </p>
<p>But I suppose we could do a simple field test without any of the fancy social science methodology attached to test this out. I would love to see the HBD crew make a series of predictions about the world and its state over the next one, five, and fifteen years and see if they do any better than those relying on different frames of analysis. </p>
<p>I am not holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Toddy Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toddy Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All too often, these days, &quot;expertise&quot; means &quot;having the right credential obtained by parroting politically correct lies&quot; as opposed to actually being good at something. No wonder people are losing respect for it. I&#039;d be willing to bet that a group of people randomly chosen off the street could craft far better Middle Eastern policy, Immigration policy, and criminal justice than what the &quot;experts&quot; have given us the last fifty years or so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All too often, these days, &#8220;expertise&#8221; means &#8220;having the right credential obtained by parroting politically correct lies&#8221; as opposed to actually being good at something. No wonder people are losing respect for it. I&#8217;d be willing to bet that a group of people randomly chosen off the street could craft far better Middle Eastern policy, Immigration policy, and criminal justice than what the &#8220;experts&#8221; have given us the last fifty years or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Borepatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borepatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that what passes for &quot;expertise&quot; these days is very often wretched, incompetent, and venal.  This especially applies to Washington D.C. Think Tanks.

I think that there&#039;s still considerable respect for commercial innovators (c.f. Steve Jobs), but increasingly the public sector seems to be part of the problem, not the solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that what passes for &#8220;expertise&#8221; these days is very often wretched, incompetent, and venal.  This especially applies to Washington D.C. Think Tanks.</p>
<p>I think that there&#8217;s still considerable respect for commercial innovators (c.f. Steve Jobs), but increasingly the public sector seems to be part of the problem, not the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &lt;cite&gt;New Yorker&lt;/cite&gt; article has an example that I disagree is clear cut: the two-linked event. 

There are odds where a two-linked event occurs more often than one. For example: people have eyesight problem vs people with eyesight problem who use glasses or contact lenses. I bet there are more of the second, even if there is need of two events versus one.

Another, people with a driver&#039;s licence vs people with a driver&#039;s license who own a car. I bet there are more of the second than the first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <cite>New Yorker</cite> article has an example that I disagree is clear cut: the two-linked event. </p>
<p>There are odds where a two-linked event occurs more often than one. For example: people have eyesight problem vs people with eyesight problem who use glasses or contact lenses. I bet there are more of the second, even if there is need of two events versus one.</p>
<p>Another, people with a driver&#8217;s licence vs people with a driver&#8217;s license who own a car. I bet there are more of the second than the first.</p>
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		<title>By: Candide III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candide III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 06:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Zero validity environments tend to fall into two categories:Environments whose size or complexity make it impossible for experts to recognize the patterns or relationships they need to understand in order to make valid judgements about the system (such as faced by economists, ecologists, and financial analysts).Environments where experts must evaluate behaviors, attitudes, past history, and other personal idiosyncrasies to try and explain why individuals act as they do or how they will act in the future (such as faced by psychiatrists, college admissions officers, and court judges).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is a third category: environments where there &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; patterns and relationships to be recognized and learned, but ones that are unacceptable because they run counter to established beliefs about the world. Very narrow experts, those who can avoid the limelight and keep to the shadows of academic obscurity, may accumulate expertise in such fields, but it does not propagate outwards and cannot be made use of in the wider community. Examples: HBD, intelligence, eugenics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Zero validity environments tend to fall into two categories:Environments whose size or complexity make it impossible for experts to recognize the patterns or relationships they need to understand in order to make valid judgements about the system (such as faced by economists, ecologists, and financial analysts).Environments where experts must evaluate behaviors, attitudes, past history, and other personal idiosyncrasies to try and explain why individuals act as they do or how they will act in the future (such as faced by psychiatrists, college admissions officers, and court judges).</p></blockquote>
<p>There is a third category: environments where there <em>are</em> patterns and relationships to be recognized and learned, but ones that are unacceptable because they run counter to established beliefs about the world. Very narrow experts, those who can avoid the limelight and keep to the shadows of academic obscurity, may accumulate expertise in such fields, but it does not propagate outwards and cannot be made use of in the wider community. Examples: HBD, intelligence, eugenics.</p>
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