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		<title>By: Toddy Cat</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/05/the-drugs-used-in-execution-by-lethal-injection/comment-page-1/#comment-1265436</link>
		<dc:creator>Toddy Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2014 17:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who doubts the Christain Doctrine of Original Sin has never read history. The things that people will do to each other is simply astonishing...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who doubts the Christain Doctrine of Original Sin has never read history. The things that people will do to each other is simply astonishing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Windy Wilson</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/05/the-drugs-used-in-execution-by-lethal-injection/comment-page-1/#comment-1259726</link>
		<dc:creator>Windy Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 20:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Space Nookie and James James; I recall reading about some Einsatz Gruppen operation in Eastern Europe that tied Jews together two by two next to a high riverbank, and then shot one of each pair so that they would fall  into the water to drown (if the shot one did not die outright, the unwounded one would definitely drown).

The imagination of man to perform evil seems limitless; c.f. the Indians of the Ohio River Valley and the Toronto area of Canada with their torture methods. The Hurons were so called because that is a derivation of the French word for &quot;the rough ones.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Space Nookie and James James; I recall reading about some Einsatz Gruppen operation in Eastern Europe that tied Jews together two by two next to a high riverbank, and then shot one of each pair so that they would fall  into the water to drown (if the shot one did not die outright, the unwounded one would definitely drown).</p>
<p>The imagination of man to perform evil seems limitless; c.f. the Indians of the Ohio River Valley and the Toronto area of Canada with their torture methods. The Hurons were so called because that is a derivation of the French word for &#8220;the rough ones.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James James</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/05/the-drugs-used-in-execution-by-lethal-injection/comment-page-1/#comment-1255576</link>
		<dc:creator>James James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2014 15:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Space Nookie, you were right. Wikipedia&#039;s article on the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror&quot;&gt;Red Terror&lt;/a&gt;&quot; has the details.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Space Nookie, you were right. Wikipedia&#8217;s article on the &#8220;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror">Red Terror</a>&#8221; has the details.</p>
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		<title>By: Grasspunk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/05/the-drugs-used-in-execution-by-lethal-injection/comment-page-1/#comment-1254108</link>
		<dc:creator>Grasspunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 20:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of people try to reduce the salt in their diet. Maybe the inmates request salt substitute?

LD50 is something, but what&#039;s the lethal dose for 0.01%?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people try to reduce the salt in their diet. Maybe the inmates request salt substitute?</p>
<p>LD50 is something, but what&#8217;s the lethal dose for 0.01%?</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/05/the-drugs-used-in-execution-by-lethal-injection/comment-page-1/#comment-1254029</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 18:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The dose makes the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_chloride#Precautions&quot;&gt;poison&lt;/a&gt; &#8212; well, the dose and the delivery method: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Orally, potassium chloride is toxic in excess; the LD&lt;sub&gt;50&lt;/sub&gt; is around 2.5 g/kg (meaning that a lethal dose for 50% of people weighing 75 kg (165 lb) is about 190 g (6.7 ounces)). However, this is not far from oral toxicity of sodium chloride (table salt), of 3.75 g/kg, thus potassium chloride is harmless for alimentation (and even good for health, see previous paragraph). But intravenously, without the step of digestive absorption, this is reduced to just over 30 mg/kg.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dose makes the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_chloride#Precautions">poison</a> &mdash; well, the dose and the delivery method: </p>
<blockquote><p>Orally, potassium chloride is toxic in excess; the LD<sub>50</sub> is around 2.5 g/kg (meaning that a lethal dose for 50% of people weighing 75 kg (165 lb) is about 190 g (6.7 ounces)). However, this is not far from oral toxicity of sodium chloride (table salt), of 3.75 g/kg, thus potassium chloride is harmless for alimentation (and even good for health, see previous paragraph). But intravenously, without the step of digestive absorption, this is reduced to just over 30 mg/kg.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Grasspunk</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/05/the-drugs-used-in-execution-by-lethal-injection/comment-page-1/#comment-1253933</link>
		<dc:creator>Grasspunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Potassium chloride is used in salt substitutes. Seems kinda risky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potassium chloride is used in salt substitutes. Seems kinda risky.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 14:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a non-expert, I assumed that an overdose of barbiturates would do the job painlessly, and that is how animals are &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_euthanasia&quot;&gt;put down&lt;/a&gt; humanely: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Pets are almost always euthanized by intravenous injection, typically using a very high dose of pentobarbital or sodium thiopental. Unconsciousness, respiratory then cardiac arrest follow rapidly, usually within 30 seconds. Observers generally describe the method as leading to a quick and peaceful death.

[...]

Some veterinarians perform a two-stage process: an initial injection that simply renders the pet unconscious and a second shot that causes death. This allows the owner the chance to say goodbye to a live pet without their emotions stressing the pet. It also greatly mitigates any tendency toward spasm and other involuntary movement which tends to increase the emotional upset that the pet&#039;s owner experiences.

For large animals, the volumes of barbiturates required are considered by some to be impractical, although this is standard practice in the United States.  For horses and cattle, other drugs may be available. Some specially formulated combination products are available, such as Somulose (Secobarbital/Cinchocaine) and Tributame (Embutramide/Chloroquine/Lidocaine), which cause deep unconsciousness and cardiac arrest independently with a lower volume of injection, thus making the process faster, safer, and more effective.

Occasionally, a horse injected with these mixtures may display apparent seizure activity before death. This may be due to premature cardiac arrest. However, if normal precautions (e.g., sedation with detomidine) are taken, this is rarely a problem. Anecdotal reports that long term use of phenylbutazone increase the risk of this reaction are unverified.

After the animal has expired, it is not uncommon for the body to have posthumous body jerks, or for the animal to have a sudden bladder outburst. Unlike in films, the animal&#039;s eyes do not usually close when it dies, and this has been stated purely as a drama display for pet death in movies (such as &lt;cite&gt;Marley &amp; Me&lt;/cite&gt;).&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a non-expert, I assumed that an overdose of barbiturates would do the job painlessly, and that is how animals are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_euthanasia">put down</a> humanely: </p>
<blockquote><p>Pets are almost always euthanized by intravenous injection, typically using a very high dose of pentobarbital or sodium thiopental. Unconsciousness, respiratory then cardiac arrest follow rapidly, usually within 30 seconds. Observers generally describe the method as leading to a quick and peaceful death.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Some veterinarians perform a two-stage process: an initial injection that simply renders the pet unconscious and a second shot that causes death. This allows the owner the chance to say goodbye to a live pet without their emotions stressing the pet. It also greatly mitigates any tendency toward spasm and other involuntary movement which tends to increase the emotional upset that the pet&#8217;s owner experiences.</p>
<p>For large animals, the volumes of barbiturates required are considered by some to be impractical, although this is standard practice in the United States.  For horses and cattle, other drugs may be available. Some specially formulated combination products are available, such as Somulose (Secobarbital/Cinchocaine) and Tributame (Embutramide/Chloroquine/Lidocaine), which cause deep unconsciousness and cardiac arrest independently with a lower volume of injection, thus making the process faster, safer, and more effective.</p>
<p>Occasionally, a horse injected with these mixtures may display apparent seizure activity before death. This may be due to premature cardiac arrest. However, if normal precautions (e.g., sedation with detomidine) are taken, this is rarely a problem. Anecdotal reports that long term use of phenylbutazone increase the risk of this reaction are unverified.</p>
<p>After the animal has expired, it is not uncommon for the body to have posthumous body jerks, or for the animal to have a sudden bladder outburst. Unlike in films, the animal&#8217;s eyes do not usually close when it dies, and this has been stated purely as a drama display for pet death in movies (such as <cite>Marley &#038; Me</cite>).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bruce Charlton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 14:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any one of the three drugs would be sufficient to kill on its own &#8212; the barbiturate would be the most pleasant (I knew of an anesthesiologist &#8212; that is to say an expert in these matters &#8212; who committed suicide with a barbiturate drip), the potassium chloride the fastest, the muscle paralyzing drug the worst.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any one of the three drugs would be sufficient to kill on its own &mdash; the barbiturate would be the most pleasant (I knew of an anesthesiologist &mdash; that is to say an expert in these matters &mdash; who committed suicide with a barbiturate drip), the potassium chloride the fastest, the muscle paralyzing drug the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 13:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stalin&#039;s chief executioner, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin#Role_in_the_Katyn_massacre&quot;&gt;Vasili Blokhin&lt;/a&gt;, almost single-handedly performed the thousands of executions of the Katyn Massacre, with a small-caliber German pistol, in a padded room with a sloped floor leading to a drain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stalin&#8217;s chief executioner, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin#Role_in_the_Katyn_massacre">Vasili Blokhin</a>, almost single-handedly performed the thousands of executions of the Katyn Massacre, with a small-caliber German pistol, in a padded room with a sloped floor leading to a drain.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 13:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe &lt;cite&gt;Schindler&#039;s List&lt;/cite&gt; shows the Nazis lining up Jews in order to execute more than one person with each rifle shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe <cite>Schindler&#8217;s List</cite> shows the Nazis lining up Jews in order to execute more than one person with each rifle shot.</p>
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