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	<title>Comments on: How Athletes Use Caffeine</title>
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		<title>By: Zhai2Nan2</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/03/how-athletes-use-caffeine/comment-page-1/#comment-1171396</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhai2Nan2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 05:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whenever I do intense exercise, I sweat.  When I exercise for a long time, I have to re-hydrate.

In my case, any water lost to caffeine-bladder effects during exercise is trivial compared to water lost through sweat glands.

So heavily sweating athletes are probably a noisy data source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I do intense exercise, I sweat.  When I exercise for a long time, I have to re-hydrate.</p>
<p>In my case, any water lost to caffeine-bladder effects during exercise is trivial compared to water lost through sweat glands.</p>
<p>So heavily sweating athletes are probably a noisy data source.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/03/how-athletes-use-caffeine/comment-page-1/#comment-1171337</link>
		<dc:creator>Alrenous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds to me like the researchers prefer saying things to thinking about what they said. Paragraph one and two don&#039;t match. They also commit a scientific sin of non-explicitness; the content is all in vague implications.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like the researchers prefer saying things to thinking about what they said. Paragraph one and two don&#8217;t match. They also commit a scientific sin of non-explicitness; the content is all in vague implications.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/03/how-athletes-use-caffeine/comment-page-1/#comment-1170607</link>
		<dc:creator>Handle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alrenous, the relevant passage is here:

&lt;blockquote&gt;One hydration study followed 59 healthy male volunteers for 11 days, using varying levels of caffeine. The researchers found no evidence of dehydration. “These findings question the widely accepted notion that caffeine consumption acts chronically as a diuretic,” the scientists concluded.

While this finding will seem counterintuitive to many coffee drinkers, especially commuters who have suffered through bladder-bursting traffic jams, Ganio said the science bears it out. Twelve ounces of coffee or 12 ounces of water will have about the same effect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The claim is that coffee is indistinguishable from water and challenges the notion that caffeine is a diuretic at all, which is a much, much stronger statement than that caffeine consumption is a net-neutral on hydration levels because drinkers tend to offset the diuretic effects with just enough additional liquid volume.

My bodily functions definitely respond differently to a large (cup and a half) coffee than to a large water, so I find the claim highly suspect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alrenous, the relevant passage is here:</p>
<blockquote><p>One hydration study followed 59 healthy male volunteers for 11 days, using varying levels of caffeine. The researchers found no evidence of dehydration. “These findings question the widely accepted notion that caffeine consumption acts chronically as a diuretic,” the scientists concluded.</p>
<p>While this finding will seem counterintuitive to many coffee drinkers, especially commuters who have suffered through bladder-bursting traffic jams, Ganio said the science bears it out. Twelve ounces of coffee or 12 ounces of water will have about the same effect.</p></blockquote>
<p>The claim is that coffee is indistinguishable from water and challenges the notion that caffeine is a diuretic at all, which is a much, much stronger statement than that caffeine consumption is a net-neutral on hydration levels because drinkers tend to offset the diuretic effects with just enough additional liquid volume.</p>
<p>My bodily functions definitely respond differently to a large (cup and a half) coffee than to a large water, so I find the claim highly suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Alrenous</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/03/how-athletes-use-caffeine/comment-page-1/#comment-1170489</link>
		<dc:creator>Alrenous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two kinds of dehydrating agents: relative, and absolute. A relative agent messes with homeostatic processes, lowering the hydration set point. An absolute agent takes a set amount of water per gram.

Excess salt is an absolute dehydrating agent. The kidneys filter it out and dilute it to a safe concentration. 

Caffeine is usually consumed with more than enough water to offset absolute dehydration. If by &quot;no evidence of dehydration&quot; they mean caffeine-takers don&#039;t end up dehydrated, this might be what they&#039;re talking about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two kinds of dehydrating agents: relative, and absolute. A relative agent messes with homeostatic processes, lowering the hydration set point. An absolute agent takes a set amount of water per gram.</p>
<p>Excess salt is an absolute dehydrating agent. The kidneys filter it out and dilute it to a safe concentration. </p>
<p>Caffeine is usually consumed with more than enough water to offset absolute dehydration. If by &#8220;no evidence of dehydration&#8221; they mean caffeine-takers don&#8217;t end up dehydrated, this might be what they&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/03/how-athletes-use-caffeine/comment-page-1/#comment-1170059</link>
		<dc:creator>Handle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am very skeptical of their claimed finding that caffeine isn&#039;t a dehydrating diuretic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very skeptical of their claimed finding that caffeine isn&#8217;t a dehydrating diuretic.</p>
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