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		<title>By: James James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just finished watching Curtis&#039;s &quot;The Mayfair Set&quot; about the Clermont Set. 

It&#039;s a similar story: politicians have given up power to &quot;the markets&quot;, implying they could take power back if they wanted. It seems that Curtis believes this. Curtis never explains why people do takeovers, or why asset stripping is supposedly bad, etc. Perhaps he doesn&#039;t understand. The last episode particularly has a section on the Exchange Rate Mechanism. Curtis doesn&#039;t explain the ERM, and it seems he doesn&#039;t know what it or currency controls were for, and why they are bad. He treats &quot;the markets&quot; as if they are an actual thing, rather than an abstraction. 

Also the last 90 seconds have Jim Slater talking about the game &quot;Monopoly&quot;, which is quite fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just finished watching Curtis&#8217;s &#8220;The Mayfair Set&#8221; about the Clermont Set. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a similar story: politicians have given up power to &#8220;the markets&#8221;, implying they could take power back if they wanted. It seems that Curtis believes this. Curtis never explains why people do takeovers, or why asset stripping is supposedly bad, etc. Perhaps he doesn&#8217;t understand. The last episode particularly has a section on the Exchange Rate Mechanism. Curtis doesn&#8217;t explain the ERM, and it seems he doesn&#8217;t know what it or currency controls were for, and why they are bad. He treats &#8220;the markets&#8221; as if they are an actual thing, rather than an abstraction. </p>
<p>Also the last 90 seconds have Jim Slater talking about the game &#8220;Monopoly&#8221;, which is quite fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Scipio Americanus</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2014/01/the-collapse-of-the-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-1113979</link>
		<dc:creator>Scipio Americanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;The collapse of that optimistic vision of what politics could achieve then left the way open for powerful, reactionary forces to take power who don’t want to change the world. &lt;b&gt;Instead they want to manage the world and hold it stable — backed up by the threat of violence. A threat to which they have become increasingly addicted.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Because utopian, progressive forces have never backed up their vision with violence. Or become addicted to said violence. Of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The collapse of that optimistic vision of what politics could achieve then left the way open for powerful, reactionary forces to take power who don’t want to change the world. <b>Instead they want to manage the world and hold it stable — backed up by the threat of violence. A threat to which they have become increasingly addicted.</b>&#8220;</i></p>
<p>Because utopian, progressive forces have never backed up their vision with violence. Or become addicted to said violence. Of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adam&#039;s thesis is quite brave and revolutionary for his typical reader.  Pablum suitable for infant minds, but that is the kind of mind being generated by the millions in government school systems, and pop media salons.

Words are becoming irrelevant distractions from what we need to be doing.  The BBC and the rest of the media want to keep mass minds occupied while quasi-totalitarian government policies keep accumulating, closing off all opportunity for self-determination.

It was once clear why Africa was Africa, Haiti was Haiti, Europe was Europe, and freer nations with less intrusive governments seemed to do better (E. vs. W. Germany, N. vs. S. Korea etc).

Now things are becoming very muddled, as freedom has almost no friends any longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam&#8217;s thesis is quite brave and revolutionary for his typical reader.  Pablum suitable for infant minds, but that is the kind of mind being generated by the millions in government school systems, and pop media salons.</p>
<p>Words are becoming irrelevant distractions from what we need to be doing.  The BBC and the rest of the media want to keep mass minds occupied while quasi-totalitarian government policies keep accumulating, closing off all opportunity for self-determination.</p>
<p>It was once clear why Africa was Africa, Haiti was Haiti, Europe was Europe, and freer nations with less intrusive governments seemed to do better (E. vs. W. Germany, N. vs. S. Korea etc).</p>
<p>Now things are becoming very muddled, as freedom has almost no friends any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: James James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toddy Cat, indeed. The thing his that Curtis doesn&#039;t &quot;have a clue any longer about what was going on&quot; -- he doesn&#039;t understand economics, and is lost now that nationalising everything has been shown not to work. 

&quot;reactionary forces to take power who don’t want to change the world&quot;: Curtis increasingly seems like a calmer, more eloquent version of David Brin. I wonder how Curtis would want to &quot;change the world&quot;. His vision seems to me to be &quot;you&#039;ve never had it so good&quot; McMillanism, where politicians change the world for the poor by building them houses. 

Like all &quot;colonies&quot; (for want of a better word), Israel is a neoreactionary success story: establishing a new country, building new cities (Tel Aviv). The stories about people building organisations from scratch, like the Israeli army, are inspiring. 

I wonder what Curtis thinks about Israel, and whether he would smile upon rulers who wanted to &quot;change the world&quot; by establishing or permitting new colonies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toddy Cat, indeed. The thing his that Curtis doesn&#8217;t &#8220;have a clue any longer about what was going on&#8221; &#8212; he doesn&#8217;t understand economics, and is lost now that nationalising everything has been shown not to work. </p>
<p>&#8220;reactionary forces to take power who don’t want to change the world&#8221;: Curtis increasingly seems like a calmer, more eloquent version of David Brin. I wonder how Curtis would want to &#8220;change the world&#8221;. His vision seems to me to be &#8220;you&#8217;ve never had it so good&#8221; McMillanism, where politicians change the world for the poor by building them houses. </p>
<p>Like all &#8220;colonies&#8221; (for want of a better word), Israel is a neoreactionary success story: establishing a new country, building new cities (Tel Aviv). The stories about people building organisations from scratch, like the Israeli army, are inspiring. </p>
<p>I wonder what Curtis thinks about Israel, and whether he would smile upon rulers who wanted to &#8220;change the world&#8221; by establishing or permitting new colonies.</p>
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		<title>By: Toddy Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toddy Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And of course, the fact that &quot;idealistic&quot; politicians killed about 140 million people in the Twentieth Century in pursuit of their dreams had nothing to do with that loss of faith, did it, Adam? It was all &quot;dark, reactionary forces&quot; wielding the threat of force...

For God&#039;s sake, has this moron ever heard of Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot? &quot;Idealistic Arab nationalists&quot; like Saddam Hussein? How many people were sacrificed on the altar of a &quot;changeable, perfectable&quot; humanity? 

I stand in awe of this guy&#039;s stupidity. This is like a conservative parody of what leftists believe...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course, the fact that &#8220;idealistic&#8221; politicians killed about 140 million people in the Twentieth Century in pursuit of their dreams had nothing to do with that loss of faith, did it, Adam? It was all &#8220;dark, reactionary forces&#8221; wielding the threat of force&#8230;</p>
<p>For God&#8217;s sake, has this moron ever heard of Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot? &#8220;Idealistic Arab nationalists&#8221; like Saddam Hussein? How many people were sacrificed on the altar of a &#8220;changeable, perfectable&#8221; humanity? </p>
<p>I stand in awe of this guy&#8217;s stupidity. This is like a conservative parody of what leftists believe&#8230;</p>
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