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		<title>By: William Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sort of. But &quot;rich guys&quot;? I think a better characterization would be something like &quot;successful guys&quot;. Even better would be also to acknowledge the hostility to above-board transferable success, and the drive to increase the relative importance of position, general influence, and explicit behind-the-scenes backscratching: perhaps &quot;guys who can do important favors&quot; or something. 

This is one of the things I find exceedingly irritating about Peter Turchin. As a general concept the asabiya story sounds plausible to me. But to arbitrarily narrow it to specifically a story about inequality of aboveboard *wealth*, as opposed to privilege? That seems like dishonest and stupid sleight of hand, fashionable nonsense that only survives because it&#039;s so delicious to the post-1875 left alliance. My experience of human nature is that while inequality of wealth certainly creates important frictions, lying and self-dealing and oathbreaking and other kinds of corruption create qualitatively more. Modern history seems consistent with this: admittedly leftists can earnestly claim that unproductive states are suffering from inequality of wealth, but corruption sure looks more important to me. Modern anecdotal sociology also seems consistent with this: cultures where extended families have a heavy duty to share wealth overlap considerably with cultures where extended families have a heavy duty to do corrupt favors for each other at outsiders&#039; expense. And old stories seem consistent with this as well: consider David and Bathsheba; or the Spartan (recent victor in the Peloponnesian War, IIRC) ribbing the Athenian about government corruption shortly after the first big battle in _Anabasis_; or &quot;when Adam delved and Eve span...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of. But &#8220;rich guys&#8221;? I think a better characterization would be something like &#8220;successful guys&#8221;. Even better would be also to acknowledge the hostility to above-board transferable success, and the drive to increase the relative importance of position, general influence, and explicit behind-the-scenes backscratching: perhaps &#8220;guys who can do important favors&#8221; or something. </p>
<p>This is one of the things I find exceedingly irritating about Peter Turchin. As a general concept the asabiya story sounds plausible to me. But to arbitrarily narrow it to specifically a story about inequality of aboveboard *wealth*, as opposed to privilege? That seems like dishonest and stupid sleight of hand, fashionable nonsense that only survives because it&#8217;s so delicious to the post-1875 left alliance. My experience of human nature is that while inequality of wealth certainly creates important frictions, lying and self-dealing and oathbreaking and other kinds of corruption create qualitatively more. Modern history seems consistent with this: admittedly leftists can earnestly claim that unproductive states are suffering from inequality of wealth, but corruption sure looks more important to me. Modern anecdotal sociology also seems consistent with this: cultures where extended families have a heavy duty to share wealth overlap considerably with cultures where extended families have a heavy duty to do corrupt favors for each other at outsiders&#8217; expense. And old stories seem consistent with this as well: consider David and Bathsheba; or the Spartan (recent victor in the Peloponnesian War, IIRC) ribbing the Athenian about government corruption shortly after the first big battle in _Anabasis_; or &#8220;when Adam delved and Eve span&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Johnson</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2013/11/just-another-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1032573</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 02:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s more that everyone does what they do and uses whatever is the approved thing as a way to sell whatever it is they&#039;re selling.

Feminist? Sell female empowerment.

Communist? Imbue your product with the essence of the proletariat.

American communism learned from Soviet communism &#8212; they know they need people to sell and manage communism &#8212; so they subvert the business world.

Look at the mortgage mess. Huge amounts of brain power dedicated to doing something stupid and communist in aim &#8212; giving houses to NAMs. The amount of brain power involved in that scheme was staggering &#8212; pricing derivatives that most people don&#039;t even understand, securitizing them, writing computer code to move all the data point A to point B. The Soviets could only dream of one of their schemes being implemented in such a well executed manner. Why? Because we let &quot;hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters and charismatic politicians&quot; whet their beaks under the condition that they never question the underlying scheme.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s more that everyone does what they do and uses whatever is the approved thing as a way to sell whatever it is they&#8217;re selling.</p>
<p>Feminist? Sell female empowerment.</p>
<p>Communist? Imbue your product with the essence of the proletariat.</p>
<p>American communism learned from Soviet communism &mdash; they know they need people to sell and manage communism &mdash; so they subvert the business world.</p>
<p>Look at the mortgage mess. Huge amounts of brain power dedicated to doing something stupid and communist in aim &mdash; giving houses to NAMs. The amount of brain power involved in that scheme was staggering &mdash; pricing derivatives that most people don&#8217;t even understand, securitizing them, writing computer code to move all the data point A to point B. The Soviets could only dream of one of their schemes being implemented in such a well executed manner. Why? Because we let &#8220;hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters and charismatic politicians&#8221; whet their beaks under the condition that they never question the underlying scheme.</p>
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