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	<title>Comments on: Algebra and the Pointlessness of The Whole Damn Thing</title>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2013/08/algebra-and-the-pointlessness-of-the-whole-damn-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-922564</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember watching something on TV where they pointed out that most children have no idea what the &lt;em&gt;equals sign&lt;/em&gt; means.  They don&#039;t understand that the left side and the right side of the equation are effectively the same thing &#8212; and thus you can perform the same operation to each side and maintain equality.

This rings true.  I can certainly remember first-grade math problems where they used an empty box instead of an &lt;em&gt;x&lt;/em&gt; in simple arithmetic equations &#8212; e.g., 4 + x = 7, with the &lt;em&gt;x&lt;/em&gt; depicted as an empty box &#8212; and my parents would say, &quot;seven minus four is three, right?&quot;  It seemed to work, but I had no idea they were using simple algebra, and I had no systematic way to recreate their process.

Later, of course, we spent years doing &lt;em&gt;time-rate-distance&lt;/em&gt; problems and other quintessentially algebraic manipulations with &lt;em&gt;no mention&lt;/em&gt; of the simple rules and principles at work.  I&#039;m pretty sure I was the only kid who felt cheated when we got to algebra, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember watching something on TV where they pointed out that most children have no idea what the <em>equals sign</em> means.  They don&#8217;t understand that the left side and the right side of the equation are effectively the same thing &mdash; and thus you can perform the same operation to each side and maintain equality.</p>
<p>This rings true.  I can certainly remember first-grade math problems where they used an empty box instead of an <em>x</em> in simple arithmetic equations &mdash; e.g., 4 + x = 7, with the <em>x</em> depicted as an empty box &mdash; and my parents would say, &#8220;seven minus four is three, right?&#8221;  It seemed to work, but I had no idea they were using simple algebra, and I had no systematic way to recreate their process.</p>
<p>Later, of course, we spent years doing <em>time-rate-distance</em> problems and other quintessentially algebraic manipulations with <em>no mention</em> of the simple rules and principles at work.  I&#8217;m pretty sure I was the only kid who felt cheated when we got to algebra, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Aretae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aretae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 02:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a fascinating question.  I&#039;m not sure, and I&#039;ve never approved of it, nor did the elementary school teacher who helped me jump past those four grades of math directly into Algebra.  

Nor, however, do I approve of trying to understand physics without the tools Newton had to invent to understand it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fascinating question.  I&#8217;m not sure, and I&#8217;ve never approved of it, nor did the elementary school teacher who helped me jump past those four grades of math directly into Algebra.  </p>
<p>Nor, however, do I approve of trying to understand physics without the tools Newton had to invent to understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 20:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember getting to algebra in eighth grade &#8212; the earliest they&#039;d let anyone into algebra in my school system at the time &#8212; and thinking, &quot;Wait, why did we waste the last three or four years solving algebra problems without algebra?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember getting to algebra in eighth grade &mdash; the earliest they&#8217;d let anyone into algebra in my school system at the time &mdash; and thinking, &#8220;Wait, why did we waste the last three or four years solving algebra problems without algebra?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aretae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aretae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 20:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m inclined to post a longer response, that&#039;s mostly off-topic.

Algebra is the foundation of post-arithmetic math.  You can&#039;t do any other math without it, and you can&#039;t do any science or much programming without understanding it &#8212; &lt;em&gt;understanding&lt;/em&gt;, not just being able to do.

As a foundation for liberal education, Algebra is much like reading, writing, and programming in that it foundationalizes huge areas of thought.  And therefore someone without the ability to think that way is properly understood to be deficient.

Now, having the ability to think in many ways is only one type of skill &#8212; one highly regarded among the thoughtful, but perhaps less than necessary for someone who&#039;s going to be an assembly line worker, or customer service rep.  

The question is whether college exists to teach you to think or to teach you to do stuff related to your eventual career.  Insofar as the second is winning the argument ATM, Algebra appears to be unneccessary, except in the occupations that pay well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to post a longer response, that&#8217;s mostly off-topic.</p>
<p>Algebra is the foundation of post-arithmetic math.  You can&#8217;t do any other math without it, and you can&#8217;t do any science or much programming without understanding it &mdash; <em>understanding</em>, not just being able to do.</p>
<p>As a foundation for liberal education, Algebra is much like reading, writing, and programming in that it foundationalizes huge areas of thought.  And therefore someone without the ability to think that way is properly understood to be deficient.</p>
<p>Now, having the ability to think in many ways is only one type of skill &mdash; one highly regarded among the thoughtful, but perhaps less than necessary for someone who&#8217;s going to be an assembly line worker, or customer service rep.  </p>
<p>The question is whether college exists to teach you to think or to teach you to do stuff related to your eventual career.  Insofar as the second is winning the argument ATM, Algebra appears to be unneccessary, except in the occupations that pay well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2013 16:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Voldemort, you rotten racist.

But   &quot;....We should have a richer and more flexible curriculum,....&quot;

Strike &quot;we should&quot;. 

Replace with &quot;It&#039;s possible for one to create&quot; and I am with you. 

That &quot;should&quot; stuff smacks of forcing people to do something &#039;for their own good.&#039; You sly, progressive racist, you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Voldemort, you rotten racist.</p>
<p>But   &#8220;&#8230;.We should have a richer and more flexible curriculum,&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strike &#8220;we should&#8221;. </p>
<p>Replace with &#8220;It&#8217;s possible for one to create&#8221; and I am with you. </p>
<p>That &#8220;should&#8221; stuff smacks of forcing people to do something &#8216;for their own good.&#8217; You sly, progressive racist, you.</p>
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