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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2013/02/the-vandals-are-within-the-gates/comment-page-1/#comment-768624</link>
		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Faze, on &quot;proletarian poetry,&quot; wasn&#039;t it Karl Marx who said in his perfect society a man could &#8212; (googles) &#8212; yes, here it is:

&quot;In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.&quot;

(I&#039;m pretty sure he means &quot;criticise&quot; in the sense of literary criticism, not general bitching.)

Yet today&#039;s intellectual &quot;progressives,&quot; who often claim to have been influenced by Marx, become truly appalled when functions like literary criticism, or any other academic-like function &#8212; or even garden-variety journalism &#8212; are performed by people who aren&#039;t credentialed, single-purpose &quot;experts&quot; in those fields.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faze, on &#8220;proletarian poetry,&#8221; wasn&#8217;t it Karl Marx who said in his perfect society a man could &mdash; (googles) &mdash; yes, here it is:</p>
<p>&#8220;In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.&#8221;</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m pretty sure he means &#8220;criticise&#8221; in the sense of literary criticism, not general bitching.)</p>
<p>Yet today&#8217;s intellectual &#8220;progressives,&#8221; who often claim to have been influenced by Marx, become truly appalled when functions like literary criticism, or any other academic-like function &mdash; or even garden-variety journalism &mdash; are performed by people who aren&#8217;t credentialed, single-purpose &#8220;experts&#8221; in those fields.</p>
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		<title>By: Faze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We have no poets ...&quot;

What is rap music but the great explosion of proletarian poetry long hoped for by socialists? Never in history have so many poor and working class people taken up verse, and never have poets of any kind been more spectacularly reimbursed than today&#039;s rap stars. Without the benefit of a single government arts grant, rap poetry has spread around the world, bringing with it the culture of America&#039;s underclass. Rap replaces native cultures more quickly and successfully than anything ever dreamed of by earlier generations of imperialists, and undermines the morale and morality of other cultures more effectively than an army of upper class bureaucrats or military in high places. You and I may hate rap and everything it stands for with a blue passion, but it rhymes, its metrical -- it&#039;s poetry. In fact, being primarily a spoken form of poetry, it has far more in common with the poetry of ancient Greece (beginning with Homer) than the effete Percy Dovetonsils poetry of the 19th and 20th centuries. Rap is also a throwback to the old Greek enthusiasms for bloody murder and buggery. As I say, we may deplore it, but it&#039;s poetry and the authentic expression of the aspirations, obsessions, inner-life of a whole class of people who&#039;s ugly (to us) fascinations have long gone unrecognized by elite or mainstream culture. (Oh, and what long-time IBM CEO Tom Watson, Jr, says about Brooks Brothers suits is true. They are a magic passport to acceptance by the elite.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have no poets &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What is rap music but the great explosion of proletarian poetry long hoped for by socialists? Never in history have so many poor and working class people taken up verse, and never have poets of any kind been more spectacularly reimbursed than today&#8217;s rap stars. Without the benefit of a single government arts grant, rap poetry has spread around the world, bringing with it the culture of America&#8217;s underclass. Rap replaces native cultures more quickly and successfully than anything ever dreamed of by earlier generations of imperialists, and undermines the morale and morality of other cultures more effectively than an army of upper class bureaucrats or military in high places. You and I may hate rap and everything it stands for with a blue passion, but it rhymes, its metrical &#8212; it&#8217;s poetry. In fact, being primarily a spoken form of poetry, it has far more in common with the poetry of ancient Greece (beginning with Homer) than the effete Percy Dovetonsils poetry of the 19th and 20th centuries. Rap is also a throwback to the old Greek enthusiasms for bloody murder and buggery. As I say, we may deplore it, but it&#8217;s poetry and the authentic expression of the aspirations, obsessions, inner-life of a whole class of people who&#8217;s ugly (to us) fascinations have long gone unrecognized by elite or mainstream culture. (Oh, and what long-time IBM CEO Tom Watson, Jr, says about Brooks Brothers suits is true. They are a magic passport to acceptance by the elite.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In his (very excellent) &lt;a href=&quot;http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/22836.html&quot;&gt;autobiography&lt;/a&gt;, long-time IBM CEO Tom Watson Jr. mentioned an IBM colleague he much admired, who had risen from a very tough background to a high executive position with the company. When Tom Jr. asked him how he had done it, the man replied that his self-improvement program had had 3 main parts:

1) Read the classics.

2) Listen to classical music.

3) Buy all suits at Brooks Brothers.

I wonder what the equivalent plan would look like today?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his (very excellent) <a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/22836.html">autobiography</a>, long-time IBM CEO Tom Watson Jr. mentioned an IBM colleague he much admired, who had risen from a very tough background to a high executive position with the company. When Tom Jr. asked him how he had done it, the man replied that his self-improvement program had had 3 main parts:</p>
<p>1) Read the classics.</p>
<p>2) Listen to classical music.</p>
<p>3) Buy all suits at Brooks Brothers.</p>
<p>I wonder what the equivalent plan would look like today?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Simons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Simons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ref. music:  Last I heard Morten Lauridsen and Eric Whiteacre were both alive and writing really beautiful things.  Both composer&#039;s works are frequently performed in cathedrals and concert halls, especially Lauridsen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ref. music:  Last I heard Morten Lauridsen and Eric Whiteacre were both alive and writing really beautiful things.  Both composer&#8217;s works are frequently performed in cathedrals and concert halls, especially Lauridsen.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We have no poets, a nation of over three hundred million being far inferior to tiny, muddy London in the Seventeenth Century.&quot;

I suspect that a lot of people who would have been poets in prior ages are now songwriters.

It&#039;s not obvious why the song is an inferior form of artistic expression to the poem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have no poets, a nation of over three hundred million being far inferior to tiny, muddy London in the Seventeenth Century.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect that a lot of people who would have been poets in prior ages are now songwriters.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not obvious why the song is an inferior form of artistic expression to the poem.</p>
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		<title>By: Borepatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borepatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of this is clearly wrong.  For example, there&#039;s a ton of popular classical music being written and performed.  It&#039;s not being played in symphony halls; rather, it&#039;s in the movies.  It&#039;s also in video games (the score for Skyrim is excellent).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of this is clearly wrong.  For example, there&#8217;s a ton of popular classical music being written and performed.  It&#8217;s not being played in symphony halls; rather, it&#8217;s in the movies.  It&#8217;s also in video games (the score for Skyrim is excellent).</p>
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