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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;The Voyage to Arcturus&lt;/cite&gt; is available via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1329&quot;&gt;Project Gutenberg&lt;/a&gt;, by the way.

(John Rateliff wrote up one of his &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/2012/02/a-voyage-to-arcturus/&quot;&gt;classics of fantasy&lt;/a&gt;&quot; essays about it, too.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>The Voyage to Arcturus</cite> is available via <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1329">Project Gutenberg</a>, by the way.</p>
<p>(John Rateliff wrote up one of his &#8220;<a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2012/02/a-voyage-to-arcturus/">classics of fantasy</a>&#8221; essays about it, too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Baduin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baduin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would suggest Lindsay&#039;s &lt;cite&gt;The Voyage to Arcturus&lt;/cite&gt;. It is not conservative, in any sense, rather post-modern. 

It is a pseudo-Gnostic (it appears to be Gnostic, but contains elements fundamentally opposed to it, especially Krag) deconstruction of the Western civilisation written using the mental apparatus of Hegelian philosophy. 

The details may be very difficult to grasp - but it is the only book I know which managed to show that a lot of ice-cream is not the ultimate happiness and purpose of Man, and morality which is about ensuring equal and/or abundant, or, for that matter, unequal, access to ice-cream is wrong and deadly, no matter how attractive it looks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest Lindsay&#8217;s <cite>The Voyage to Arcturus</cite>. It is not conservative, in any sense, rather post-modern. </p>
<p>It is a pseudo-Gnostic (it appears to be Gnostic, but contains elements fundamentally opposed to it, especially Krag) deconstruction of the Western civilisation written using the mental apparatus of Hegelian philosophy. </p>
<p>The details may be very difficult to grasp &#8211; but it is the only book I know which managed to show that a lot of ice-cream is not the ultimate happiness and purpose of Man, and morality which is about ensuring equal and/or abundant, or, for that matter, unequal, access to ice-cream is wrong and deadly, no matter how attractive it looks.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That reminds me, Dalrymple called &lt;cite&gt;A Clockwork Orange&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/2006/03/a-prophetic-and-violent-masterpiece/&quot;&gt;a prophetic and violent masterpiece&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That reminds me, Dalrymple called <cite>A Clockwork Orange</cite> <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2006/03/a-prophetic-and-violent-masterpiece/">a prophetic and violent masterpiece</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anomaly UK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anomaly UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree about &lt;cite&gt;The Dosadi Experiment&lt;/cite&gt;, but nobody&#039;s mentioned &lt;cite&gt;Whipping Star&lt;/cite&gt; which it was a sequel to. I haven&#039;t read it either.

It&#039;s not normally counted as science fiction, though it&#039;s set in the future: &lt;cite&gt;A Clockwork Orange&lt;/cite&gt; has a very reactionary message, particularly in the final chapter which the American publishers &lt;a href=&quot;http://anomalyuk.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/clockwork-orange.html&quot;&gt;hated so much&lt;/a&gt; they left out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree about <cite>The Dosadi Experiment</cite>, but nobody&#8217;s mentioned <cite>Whipping Star</cite> which it was a sequel to. I haven&#8217;t read it either.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not normally counted as science fiction, though it&#8217;s set in the future: <cite>A Clockwork Orange</cite> has a very reactionary message, particularly in the final chapter which the American publishers <a href="http://anomalyuk.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/clockwork-orange.html">hated so much</a> they left out.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://foseti.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/randoms-92/&quot;&gt;Foseti&lt;/a&gt; immediately thought of &lt;cite&gt;Earth Abides&lt;/cite&gt;, and I must agree.  Post-apocalyptic tales generally present civilization as fragile and valuable, if flawed.

Certainly &lt;cite&gt;Lucifer&#039;s Hammer&lt;/cite&gt; qualifies as post-apocalyptic and conservative.  Most of Pournelle&#039;s works are overtly conservative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://foseti.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/randoms-92/">Foseti</a> immediately thought of <cite>Earth Abides</cite>, and I must agree.  Post-apocalyptic tales generally present civilization as fragile and valuable, if flawed.</p>
<p>Certainly <cite>Lucifer&#8217;s Hammer</cite> qualifies as post-apocalyptic and conservative.  Most of Pournelle&#8217;s works are overtly conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One could argue that a post-singularity scenario is one of the few that a conservative philosophy couldn&#039;t really address &#8212; except, perhaps, to warn against.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could argue that a post-singularity scenario is one of the few that a conservative philosophy couldn&#8217;t really address &mdash; except, perhaps, to warn against.</p>
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		<title>By: Buckethead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buckethead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand why people fail to recognize the greatness of &lt;cite&gt;The Dosadi Experiment&lt;/cite&gt;. Maybe I was at some weird mental place when I first read it that it just struck me in a way that it doesn&#039;t almost anyone else, but I still believe it is second only to &lt;cite&gt;Dune&lt;/cite&gt; in Herbert&#039;s oeuvre.

&lt;cite&gt;Moon&lt;/cite&gt; is not my favorite Heinlein, but it is one of the two most overtly political of his novels. On a second thinking, it occurs to me that &lt;cite&gt;Double Star&lt;/cite&gt; is a more conservative book than either &lt;cite&gt;Moon or &lt;cite&gt;Starship Troopers&lt;/cite&gt; &#8212; it has a constitutional monarchy that is not derided.

&lt;cite&gt;A Deepness in the Sky&lt;/cite&gt; merits consideration. The problems of ubiquitous surveillance and the control aspects of dust and focus are real concerns, and impressive that Vinge raised these things about a decade before it became obvious to most people. 

Banks is an avowedly socialist science fictional Scotsman. But I repeat myself. The culture books are among my favorites &#8212; but there is no particularly conservative lessons there.

And of course, every reactionary should read &lt;cite&gt;The Veil War&lt;/cite&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why people fail to recognize the greatness of <cite>The Dosadi Experiment</cite>. Maybe I was at some weird mental place when I first read it that it just struck me in a way that it doesn&#8217;t almost anyone else, but I still believe it is second only to <cite>Dune</cite> in Herbert&#8217;s oeuvre.</p>
<p><cite>Moon</cite> is not my favorite Heinlein, but it is one of the two most overtly political of his novels. On a second thinking, it occurs to me that <cite>Double Star</cite> is a more conservative book than either <cite>Moon or </cite><cite>Starship Troopers</cite> &mdash; it has a constitutional monarchy that is not derided.</p>
<p><cite>A Deepness in the Sky</cite> merits consideration. The problems of ubiquitous surveillance and the control aspects of dust and focus are real concerns, and impressive that Vinge raised these things about a decade before it became obvious to most people. </p>
<p>Banks is an avowedly socialist science fictional Scotsman. But I repeat myself. The culture books are among my favorites &mdash; but there is no particularly conservative lessons there.</p>
<p>And of course, every reactionary should read <cite>The Veil War</cite>.</p>
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		<title>By: Aretae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aretae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 05:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have had a number of friends, including Perfidy [Buckethead], recommend &lt;cite&gt;The Dosadi Experiment&lt;/cite&gt;.  Naturally, I read it after the first one.  I was underwhelmed.  I continue to think of CJ Cherryh&#039;s &lt;cite&gt;Cyteen&lt;/cite&gt; series as better on almost all axes.  

On the other hand, I love &lt;cite&gt;Moon&lt;/cite&gt;.  It&#039;s my second favorite Heinlein after &lt;cite&gt;Assignment in Eternity&lt;/cite&gt;.

Shouldn&#039;t something post-singularity be floating in here as well?  &lt;cite&gt;Fire upon the Deep&lt;/cite&gt;?  Iain Banks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had a number of friends, including Perfidy [Buckethead], recommend <cite>The Dosadi Experiment</cite>.  Naturally, I read it after the first one.  I was underwhelmed.  I continue to think of CJ Cherryh&#8217;s <cite>Cyteen</cite> series as better on almost all axes.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, I love <cite>Moon</cite>.  It&#8217;s my second favorite Heinlein after <cite>Assignment in Eternity</cite>.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t something post-singularity be floating in here as well?  <cite>Fire upon the Deep</cite>?  Iain Banks?</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been meaning to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Frank_Russell&quot;&gt;Eric Frank Russell&lt;/a&gt;’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_(novel)&quot;&gt;Wasp&lt;/a&gt;.

I found the anarchists of Russell&#039;s &quot;And then there were none,&quot; the short story that became &lt;cite&gt;The Great Explosion&lt;/cite&gt;, a little too silly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Frank_Russell">Eric Frank Russell</a>’s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_(novel)">Wasp</a>.</p>
<p>I found the anarchists of Russell&#8217;s &#8220;And then there were none,&#8221; the short story that became <cite>The Great Explosion</cite>, a little too silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like I have to add &lt;cite&gt;Dosadi Experiment&lt;/cite&gt; to my to-read pile.  &lt;cite&gt;Dune&lt;/cite&gt; is a classic, but it never really spoke to me.  When I first heard about &lt;cite&gt;The Moon in a Harsh Mistress&lt;/cite&gt; &#8212; a libertarian sci-fi novel by Heinlein &#8212; I assumed I&#039;d love it.  I didn&#039;t.  It was... fine.

When I read H. Beam Piper&#039;s &lt;cite&gt;Space Viking&lt;/cite&gt;, it struck me as rather Moldbuggian.

In fact, much classic science-fiction strikes me as conservative &#8212; even Asimov&#039;s technocratic Foundation series &#8212; because it&#039;s concerned with societies rising and &lt;em&gt;falling&lt;/em&gt;, the long-term consequences of culture, etc.

Poul Anderson&#039;s works run the gamut from deeply thoughtful to light and pulpy.  Many feature interstellar traders as heroes and overreaching governments as villains or obstacles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like I have to add <cite>Dosadi Experiment</cite> to my to-read pile.  <cite>Dune</cite> is a classic, but it never really spoke to me.  When I first heard about <cite>The Moon in a Harsh Mistress</cite> &mdash; a libertarian sci-fi novel by Heinlein &mdash; I assumed I&#8217;d love it.  I didn&#8217;t.  It was&#8230; fine.</p>
<p>When I read H. Beam Piper&#8217;s <cite>Space Viking</cite>, it struck me as rather Moldbuggian.</p>
<p>In fact, much classic science-fiction strikes me as conservative &mdash; even Asimov&#8217;s technocratic Foundation series &mdash; because it&#8217;s concerned with societies rising and <em>falling</em>, the long-term consequences of culture, etc.</p>
<p>Poul Anderson&#8217;s works run the gamut from deeply thoughtful to light and pulpy.  Many feature interstellar traders as heroes and overreaching governments as villains or obstacles.</p>
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