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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2012/08/americas-retreat-from-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-581750</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, I&#039;ve discussed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/2010/01/wedemeyers-victory-plan/&quot;&gt;Wedemeyer&#039;s victory plan&lt;/a&gt; before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve discussed <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2010/01/wedemeyers-victory-plan/">Wedemeyer&#8217;s victory plan</a> before.</p>
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		<title>By: Tschafer</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2012/08/americas-retreat-from-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-581654</link>
		<dc:creator>Tschafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, please note that Tuchman was a liberal. That doesn&#039;t mean that she&#039;s automatically wrong, of course, but she does need to be taken with a few grains of salt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, please note that Tuchman was a liberal. That doesn&#8217;t mean that she&#8217;s automatically wrong, of course, but she does need to be taken with a few grains of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2012/08/americas-retreat-from-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-581618</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think a genuine fighting man who spent years in country could nonetheless have no clue about politics.

Tuchman&#039;s &lt;cite&gt;Stilwell&lt;/cite&gt; reminded me of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/category/hilaire-du-berrier/&quot;&gt;Hilaire du Berrier&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s &lt;cite&gt;Background to Betrayal&lt;/cite&gt;.  In both China and Vietnam, the Americans seemed baffled that their aid didn&#039;t go directly to its stated purpose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a genuine fighting man who spent years in country could nonetheless have no clue about politics.</p>
<p>Tuchman&#8217;s <cite>Stilwell</cite> reminded me of <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/category/hilaire-du-berrier/">Hilaire du Berrier</a>&#8216;s <cite>Background to Betrayal</cite>.  In both China and Vietnam, the Americans seemed baffled that their aid didn&#8217;t go directly to its stated purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Foseti</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2012/08/americas-retreat-from-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-581368</link>
		<dc:creator>Foseti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m reading General Wedemeyer&#039;s memoirs now.  I think it&#039;s the best I&#039;ve read from WWII.  Note that he strongly defends most of the US policy, including Marshall.  Here&#039;s his take on Stilwell: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Until now [late &#039;42 or early &#039;43] I had regarded Stilwell as a romantic fighting man, and the best-informed U.S. officer on China.  It would be a long while before I finally pierced his legend to discover his gullibility concerning the Communists and his prejudiced view of Chiang Kai-Shek and the Nationalist Government of China, whose problems he never seemed to understand....

Everywhere Stilwell went there was a photographer present to catch him in brave poses: peering between leaves at the enemy, or snuggling close to a gun, always giving the appearance of being a field soldier, which was the role in which he so loved to be presented....

[Stilwell&#039;s] description of Chiang Kai-Shek remains etched in my memory although soon I was to realize how unjust, uninformed, and prejudiced it was.  My notes confirm how he castigated the Chinese President as coolie class, arrogant, untrustworthy, and absolutely impossible to get along with.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading General Wedemeyer&#8217;s memoirs now.  I think it&#8217;s the best I&#8217;ve read from WWII.  Note that he strongly defends most of the US policy, including Marshall.  Here&#8217;s his take on Stilwell: </p>
<blockquote><p>Until now [late '42 or early '43] I had regarded Stilwell as a romantic fighting man, and the best-informed U.S. officer on China.  It would be a long while before I finally pierced his legend to discover his gullibility concerning the Communists and his prejudiced view of Chiang Kai-Shek and the Nationalist Government of China, whose problems he never seemed to understand&#8230;.</p>
<p>Everywhere Stilwell went there was a photographer present to catch him in brave poses: peering between leaves at the enemy, or snuggling close to a gun, always giving the appearance of being a field soldier, which was the role in which he so loved to be presented&#8230;.</p>
<p>[Stilwell's] description of Chiang Kai-Shek remains etched in my memory although soon I was to realize how unjust, uninformed, and prejudiced it was.  My notes confirm how he castigated the Chinese President as coolie class, arrogant, untrustworthy, and absolutely impossible to get along with.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Retired Guy</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2012/08/americas-retreat-from-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-580219</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave,

The IWP is a school, a grad school, staffed with really bright folks &#8212; political scientists, historians, former policy wonks, former NSC and OSD staffers, and the like. Please check out their &lt;a href=&quot;www.iwp.edu&quot;&gt;web site&lt;/a&gt; and thumb through the faculty bios. They do have public lectures, some of which can be found on CSPAN, etc.  Enjoy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>The IWP is a school, a grad school, staffed with really bright folks &mdash; political scientists, historians, former policy wonks, former NSC and OSD staffers, and the like. Please check out their <a href="www.iwp.edu">web site</a> and thumb through the faculty bios. They do have public lectures, some of which can be found on CSPAN, etc.  Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2012/08/americas-retreat-from-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-580150</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Retired Guy,

I live in the D.C. region.  Looks like this &quot;IWP&quot; is an institution of &quot;red government&quot; (red as in reactionary &#8212; Moldbug&#039;s terms).  

Does the IWP have functions one can attend?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retired Guy,</p>
<p>I live in the D.C. region.  Looks like this &#8220;IWP&#8221; is an institution of &#8220;red government&#8221; (red as in reactionary &mdash; Moldbug&#8217;s terms).  </p>
<p>Does the IWP have functions one can attend?</p>
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		<title>By: Retired Guy</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2012/08/americas-retreat-from-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-579880</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, this is so nice to read.  Young folks chewing over old history.  Foseti ought to visit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iwp.edu/&quot;&gt;The Institute of World Politics&lt;/a&gt; (near DuPont Cr.) and meet some old bright men who were there, so to speak.

There was &lt;em&gt;soooo&lt;/em&gt; much fuzzy thinking in the USA foisted by bright propagandists for the Reds.  A shameful bit of history.  Glad that a light is being shone into that black hole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this is so nice to read.  Young folks chewing over old history.  Foseti ought to visit <a href="http://www.iwp.edu/">The Institute of World Politics</a> (near DuPont Cr.) and meet some old bright men who were there, so to speak.</p>
<p>There was <em>soooo</em> much fuzzy thinking in the USA foisted by bright propagandists for the Reds.  A shameful bit of history.  Glad that a light is being shone into that black hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Tschafer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tschafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mao was already conducting mass killings at Yenan, long before he came to power. As for corruption, read Jung Chang&#039;s biography of Mao. The Communists were repressive and corrupt long before they rolled into Peking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mao was already conducting mass killings at Yenan, long before he came to power. As for corruption, read Jung Chang&#8217;s biography of Mao. The Communists were repressive and corrupt long before they rolled into Peking.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you refuse to deal with corruption and incompetence, then you refuse to help China.  Resigning in disgust is the easy way out.

Stilwell believed he could do much, much more with the hardy, uncomplaining Chinese soldiers than their own corrupt, incompetent commanders ever could, which would solve China&#039;s most pressing problem, the Japanese occupation, while helping to solve America&#039;s.  What he couldn&#039;t figure out was how to get the Chinese soldiers under his command &#8212; formal or informal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you refuse to deal with corruption and incompetence, then you refuse to help China.  Resigning in disgust is the easy way out.</p>
<p>Stilwell believed he could do much, much more with the hardy, uncomplaining Chinese soldiers than their own corrupt, incompetent commanders ever could, which would solve China&#8217;s most pressing problem, the Japanese occupation, while helping to solve America&#8217;s.  What he couldn&#8217;t figure out was how to get the Chinese soldiers under his command &mdash; formal or informal.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are disgusted by the corruption above (and your ego permits it), then you resign in disgust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are disgusted by the corruption above (and your ego permits it), then you resign in disgust.</p>
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