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	<title>Comments on: The Pre-K Underground</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/12/the-pre-k-underground/comment-page-1/#comment-403693</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A quick survey of Google hits on this topic seems to show that everyone with their hand out for money (private and government funding) is convinced that pre-K education is essential, and everyone else is either skeptical or convinced it&#039;s a waste of time. 

I&#039;m guessing that there is a pretty good correlation between kids whose families can afford $30K for preschool and kids who make good money as adults. 

Also, there is no standard curriculum for comparison; my wife and I sent our kids to a co-op pre-school that just worked on kids playing together and learning to listen to other kids and wait their turn and help each other.

Finally (this anecdote from my Mom, who was listening in on my wife and I discussing preschool), the last time she helped me with reading a book was when I was three. What good is $30K preschool education to a kid who is already educating himself?

Finally finally, the Finns have the best educated kids on the planet, and they don&#039;t even require schooling until age 7; and when they do go to school, they require at least 75 minutes of recess per day.

Pre-K education? Humbug!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick survey of Google hits on this topic seems to show that everyone with their hand out for money (private and government funding) is convinced that pre-K education is essential, and everyone else is either skeptical or convinced it&#8217;s a waste of time. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that there is a pretty good correlation between kids whose families can afford $30K for preschool and kids who make good money as adults. </p>
<p>Also, there is no standard curriculum for comparison; my wife and I sent our kids to a co-op pre-school that just worked on kids playing together and learning to listen to other kids and wait their turn and help each other.</p>
<p>Finally (this anecdote from my Mom, who was listening in on my wife and I discussing preschool), the last time she helped me with reading a book was when I was three. What good is $30K preschool education to a kid who is already educating himself?</p>
<p>Finally finally, the Finns have the best educated kids on the planet, and they don&#8217;t even require schooling until age 7; and when they do go to school, they require at least 75 minutes of recess per day.</p>
<p>Pre-K education? Humbug!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Fouche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Fouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here we have correlation with Herr Falkenstein&#039;s contention that (at least relative) envy drives markets. Envy triggers competitive escalation. Sometimes social conventions restrain this escalation. In times like these  they don&#039;t. So people will seek competitive advantage for them and theirs irrespective of how feeble or non-existent the supposed advantage turns out to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we have correlation with Herr Falkenstein&#8217;s contention that (at least relative) envy drives markets. Envy triggers competitive escalation. Sometimes social conventions restrain this escalation. In times like these  they don&#8217;t. So people will seek competitive advantage for them and theirs irrespective of how feeble or non-existent the supposed advantage turns out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/12/the-pre-k-underground/comment-page-1/#comment-403163</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think they&#039;re controlling for IQ or anything else, because their explicit goal is to get government funding for preschools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re controlling for IQ or anything else, because their explicit goal is to get government funding for preschools.</p>
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		<title>By: Jehu</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/12/the-pre-k-underground/comment-page-1/#comment-403159</link>
		<dc:creator>Jehu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aretae,

I suspect what&#039;s actually going on here is competition to get into magnet schools, schools for the gifted, and the like.  Simply being familiar with the school as a place and an institution can make a big difference on scores on such examinations, as can doing the &quot;red shirt&quot; thing (even 6 months makes a big deal on development and evaluation if you&#039;re talking 5-8 year olds).

My wife and several of her friends have a weekly pre-school coop thing that they do with their 1-4 year olds, which I suppose may evolve into something like the Pre-K being talked about here, although with a decidedly more homeschooling or unschooling bent to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aretae,</p>
<p>I suspect what&#8217;s actually going on here is competition to get into magnet schools, schools for the gifted, and the like.  Simply being familiar with the school as a place and an institution can make a big difference on scores on such examinations, as can doing the &#8220;red shirt&#8221; thing (even 6 months makes a big deal on development and evaluation if you&#8217;re talking 5-8 year olds).</p>
<p>My wife and several of her friends have a weekly pre-school coop thing that they do with their 1-4 year olds, which I suppose may evolve into something like the Pre-K being talked about here, although with a decidedly more homeschooling or unschooling bent to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Aretae</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/12/the-pre-k-underground/comment-page-1/#comment-403156</link>
		<dc:creator>Aretae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought we had huge evidence that (controlling for IQ), there were &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; long term effects from pre-schooling (after 25).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought we had huge evidence that (controlling for IQ), there were <em>no</em> long term effects from pre-schooling (after 25).</p>
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