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		<title>By: Buckethead</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/11/we-just-ran-out-of-nazis/comment-page-1/#comment-390221</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckethead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly, so far as I know there were no Nazis on the Orion project. That might have had dire consequences had the program not been axed before test flights in the early sixties.

Another home grown program with a low Nazi coefficient was the kiwi nuclear thermal rocket. Instead of cool exploding atomic bomb propulsion, this was Heinlein-style atomic jets &#8212; a nuclear pile superheated hydrogen fuel for propulsion. They actually built a test rocket and fired it, but never built a flying version. That program was cancelled in the late sixties IIRC.

Elon Musk seems to have achieved near-Nazi levels of chemical rocket efficiency with no obvious Nazis. Though one wonders...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, so far as I know there were no Nazis on the Orion project. That might have had dire consequences had the program not been axed before test flights in the early sixties.</p>
<p>Another home grown program with a low Nazi coefficient was the kiwi nuclear thermal rocket. Instead of cool exploding atomic bomb propulsion, this was Heinlein-style atomic jets &mdash; a nuclear pile superheated hydrogen fuel for propulsion. They actually built a test rocket and fired it, but never built a flying version. That program was cancelled in the late sixties IIRC.</p>
<p>Elon Musk seems to have achieved near-Nazi levels of chemical rocket efficiency with no obvious Nazis. Though one wonders&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your review of his biography, Schriever comes across as a bit of a Nazi.

More seriously, I remember reading that review and agreeing with you that it was a different time:
&lt;blockquote&gt;An interesting (if rather breathless) 1957 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,867552-1,00.html&quot;&gt;TIME&lt;/a&gt; cover story about Schriever refers to the general and his crew as “tomorrow’s men.” In retrospect, this was true only if one defined “tomorrow” as the interval between the appearance of the article and, say, July 1969. Actually it could be argued that Schriever was a man of the first two-thirds of the twentieth century, the era of the Panama Canal and the Hoover Dam and the Empire State Building. In our current era, the execution of such projects has become difficult almost to the point of impossibility. Schreiver faced down General LeMay and Secretary Talbott..would a modern-day Schriever be able to prevail against the lilliputian army of lawyers, “community activists,” and “public interest” nonprofits who obstruct every single project of any size? Further thoughts on this at my post &lt;a href=&quot;http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4435.html&quot;&gt;like swimming in glue&lt;/a&gt;, but I’m afraid that the answer is “no,” and will continue to be “no” absent some major changes in our society.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The book, &lt;cite&gt;A Fiery Peace in a Cold War&lt;/cite&gt;, is available cheap, via third-party sellers, on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679422846/&quot;&gt;Amazon&lt;/a&gt;, for those whose bookcases aren&#039;t already groaning under unsafe loads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your review of his biography, Schriever comes across as a bit of a Nazi.</p>
<p>More seriously, I remember reading that review and agreeing with you that it was a different time:</p>
<blockquote><p>An interesting (if rather breathless) 1957 <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,867552-1,00.html">TIME</a> cover story about Schriever refers to the general and his crew as “tomorrow’s men.” In retrospect, this was true only if one defined “tomorrow” as the interval between the appearance of the article and, say, July 1969. Actually it could be argued that Schriever was a man of the first two-thirds of the twentieth century, the era of the Panama Canal and the Hoover Dam and the Empire State Building. In our current era, the execution of such projects has become difficult almost to the point of impossibility. Schreiver faced down General LeMay and Secretary Talbott..would a modern-day Schriever be able to prevail against the lilliputian army of lawyers, “community activists,” and “public interest” nonprofits who obstruct every single project of any size? Further thoughts on this at my post <a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/4435.html">like swimming in glue</a>, but I’m afraid that the answer is “no,” and will continue to be “no” absent some major changes in our society.</p></blockquote>
<p>The book, <cite>A Fiery Peace in a Cold War</cite>, is available cheap, via third-party sellers, on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679422846/">Amazon</a>, for those whose bookcases aren&#8217;t already groaning under unsafe loads.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US missile programs were not as totally dependent on former Nazi rocket scientists as is often believed. The USAF missile efforts were run by General Bernard Schriever, an American of German ancestry and most definitely not a Nazi or a Nazi supporter. While some of his scientists hailed from the Peenemunde crew, his top rocket designer was Ed Hall, an American of Jewish background.

There&#039;s an interesting biography of General Schriever and his era; my review is &lt;a href=&quot;http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/24503.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US missile programs were not as totally dependent on former Nazi rocket scientists as is often believed. The USAF missile efforts were run by General Bernard Schriever, an American of German ancestry and most definitely not a Nazi or a Nazi supporter. While some of his scientists hailed from the Peenemunde crew, his top rocket designer was Ed Hall, an American of Jewish background.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting biography of General Schriever and his era; my review is <a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/24503.html">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, we should have let our Nazis build &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)&quot;&gt;nuclear-propelled rockets&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we should have let our Nazis build <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)">nuclear-propelled rockets</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rockets have a hard limit of power-vs.-weight trade-offs.  Our space program hit a wall in the 70s because we didn&#039;t build Orion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rockets have a hard limit of power-vs.-weight trade-offs.  Our space program hit a wall in the 70s because we didn&#8217;t build Orion.</p>
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