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	<title>Comments on: Ian Fleming and Geoffrey Boothroyd</title>
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		<title>By: Arnold Hartman</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/11/ian-fleming-and-geoffrey-boothroyd/comment-page-1/#comment-1314009</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnold Hartman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m having trouble imagining Bond with an American revolver.&quot;

When I’m thinking about movies with Sean Connery, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton or Pierce Brosnan as a James Bond, I agree – it’s hard to imagine. But Daniel Craig? Nowadays Bond using even panzerfaust wouldn&#039;t be so strange.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m having trouble imagining Bond with an American revolver.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I’m thinking about movies with Sean Connery, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton or Pierce Brosnan as a James Bond, I agree – it’s hard to imagine. But Daniel Craig? Nowadays Bond using even panzerfaust wouldn&#8217;t be so strange.</p>
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		<title>By: Conn Shawnery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conn Shawnery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2013 09:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing the article. 

It is, in fact, possible to silence a pistol or a rifle to the point where the loudest sound is the click of the mechanism. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GbjXvH7xJA&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is an example.

There was an integrally suppressed rifle called the De Lisle carbine, developed for British commandos in WWII, that was equally quiet, although the suppressor was much thicker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing the article. </p>
<p>It is, in fact, possible to silence a pistol or a rifle to the point where the loudest sound is the click of the mechanism. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GbjXvH7xJA">Here</a> is an example.</p>
<p>There was an integrally suppressed rifle called the De Lisle carbine, developed for British commandos in WWII, that was equally quiet, although the suppressor was much thicker.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 03:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I vaguely recall some incidents in school that only make sense if plastic softdrink bottles were available, but at the time they were not that common.

Anyway, cans looked more like the silencers in the movies, and were perfectly adequate for a .22.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vaguely recall some incidents in school that only make sense if plastic softdrink bottles were available, but at the time they were not that common.</p>
<p>Anyway, cans looked more like the silencers in the movies, and were perfectly adequate for a .22.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A .22 can definitely be silenced &#8212; or &lt;em&gt;suppressed&lt;/em&gt; &#8212; and choosing sub-sonic ammo is a big part of that.  (Ordinary super-sonic ammo cracks like a whip.)

I wasn&#039;t familiar with that Winchester Long Z ammo, but a little research reveals that it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; sub-sonic, with a muzzle velocity of just 800 feet per second, rather than 1,000 or so, for most sub-sonic ammo.

I&#039;m a little surprised you used a Coke &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt;, because I&#039;ve read that plastic Coke &lt;em&gt;bottles&lt;/em&gt; were the go-to silencer for Chechen snipers.  (Actually, I&#039;m not surprised, because plastic Coke bottles weren&#039;t around when I was a kid.)

The Israelis, of course, use top-notch equipment: a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isegoria.net/2008/08/israeli-ruger-1022-suppressed-sniper-rifle/&quot;&gt;Ruger 10/22 with full-length suppressor&lt;/a&gt;, bipod, and 4x scope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A .22 can definitely be silenced &mdash; or <em>suppressed</em> &mdash; and choosing sub-sonic ammo is a big part of that.  (Ordinary super-sonic ammo cracks like a whip.)</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t familiar with that Winchester Long Z ammo, but a little research reveals that it&#8217;s <em>really</em> sub-sonic, with a muzzle velocity of just 800 feet per second, rather than 1,000 or so, for most sub-sonic ammo.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised you used a Coke <em>can</em>, because I&#8217;ve read that plastic Coke <em>bottles</em> were the go-to silencer for Chechen snipers.  (Actually, I&#8217;m not surprised, because plastic Coke bottles weren&#8217;t around when I was a kid.)</p>
<p>The Israelis, of course, use top-notch equipment: a <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2008/08/israeli-ruger-1022-suppressed-sniper-rifle/">Ruger 10/22 with full-length suppressor</a>, bipod, and 4x scope.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 13:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was young I had regular access to firearms and places to shoot them &#8212; not in a well constructed building, but rather in the local park, which was large enough for 15 minutes of walking to get you far enough in for sounds to be muffled and safe.

Anyway, my friends and I certainly experimented with silencers, which helped no end in giving us places to shoot. Using a .22 rimfire rifle, as suggested, we found that a Coca-Cola can, fit over the end of a barrel, and stuffed with crumpled up newspaper was quite sufficient. The bullet would pass through the paper fairly easily, but the hot propelling gasses would be lost in all the folds and the result would be about as loud as clapping your hands.

This no doubt destroyed any accuracy. But we couldn&#039;t aim anyway with a Coke can covering the sights.

Then someone came up with silence ammunition. Called, if I remember correctly, Winchester Long Z, these .22 rimfire rounds sounded, when fired from a normal rifle without any newspaper, like a hand clap. The loudest sound was the semi-automatic action reloading the next bullet.

Since then I&#039;ve read many, &lt;em&gt;many&lt;/em&gt; books in which the author, narrator, or wise old detective assures the naive youngster that silencers do not work in real life. The truth being that they can work very well, if the ammunition is suitable. We never bothered, but I&#039;m sure a bolt-action rifle with a Coke-can silencer and the Long Z could probably be fired in a restaurant without notice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was young I had regular access to firearms and places to shoot them &mdash; not in a well constructed building, but rather in the local park, which was large enough for 15 minutes of walking to get you far enough in for sounds to be muffled and safe.</p>
<p>Anyway, my friends and I certainly experimented with silencers, which helped no end in giving us places to shoot. Using a .22 rimfire rifle, as suggested, we found that a Coca-Cola can, fit over the end of a barrel, and stuffed with crumpled up newspaper was quite sufficient. The bullet would pass through the paper fairly easily, but the hot propelling gasses would be lost in all the folds and the result would be about as loud as clapping your hands.</p>
<p>This no doubt destroyed any accuracy. But we couldn&#8217;t aim anyway with a Coke can covering the sights.</p>
<p>Then someone came up with silence ammunition. Called, if I remember correctly, Winchester Long Z, these .22 rimfire rounds sounded, when fired from a normal rifle without any newspaper, like a hand clap. The loudest sound was the semi-automatic action reloading the next bullet.</p>
<p>Since then I&#8217;ve read many, <em>many</em> books in which the author, narrator, or wise old detective assures the naive youngster that silencers do not work in real life. The truth being that they can work very well, if the ammunition is suitable. We never bothered, but I&#8217;m sure a bolt-action rifle with a Coke-can silencer and the Long Z could probably be fired in a restaurant without notice.</p>
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