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		<title>By: Buckethead</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/08/why-did-japan-surrender/comment-page-1/#comment-333751</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckethead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 22:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how many times we nuked the Pacific, but we really hated Nevada a lot more than the Japanese.  We nuked them something over 900 times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how many times we nuked the Pacific, but we really hated Nevada a lot more than the Japanese.  We nuked them something over 900 times.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, a prolonged blockade could have avoided the whole thing eventually. Or it would have been nice if we&#039;d shipped them a can of film of the May 1945 Trinity test.

Great Netflix movie: &lt;cite&gt;Trinity and Beyond&lt;/cite&gt;.

Guess before you get to the end: how many nuclear tests did the US explode in the Pacific? The number is unbelievable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, a prolonged blockade could have avoided the whole thing eventually. Or it would have been nice if we&#8217;d shipped them a can of film of the May 1945 Trinity test.</p>
<p>Great Netflix movie: <cite>Trinity and Beyond</cite>.</p>
<p>Guess before you get to the end: how many nuclear tests did the US explode in the Pacific? The number is unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Fouche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Fouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 02:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d agree the cause was a combination of factors. The combination of the bomb dropped on Nagasaki which demonstrated 1) that we had more that one bomb and 2) that we had the gumption to use it, the prospect of Russian occupation troops, and fear of a socialist revolt among the Japanese people drove the (slightly) more reasonable faction, backed by Hirohito, to turn to the Americans because there was some prospect of maintaining part of the Meiji institutions under American occupation and none under Russian occupation. After the Tokyo firebombing, Hirohito was being driven through the streets and he sensed a subdued revolutionary mood among the &quot;dehoused&quot; residents. This prospect of popular revolt may have been a figment of Hirohito and his entourage&#039;s imagination but it spurred them on to come to terms with the Americans. 

Even then some ubiquitous crazy junior officers of the Japanese Army launched a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_Incident&quot;&gt;coup attempt&lt;/a&gt; to stop the Emperor&#039;s surrender message from being broadcast. They stormed the imperial palace, killed the general commanding the imperial guard, ransacked the imperial palace looking for the vinyl record of the surrender message that Hirohito had already recorded, and almost assassinated the prime minister. Though some of the senior generals of the Army had given these officers mixed signals upon whether they&#039;d support a coup or not, in the end enough senior leaders decided to follow Hirohito&#039;s order that the coup collapsed and the surrender message was transmitted to the Japanese nation and armed forces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree the cause was a combination of factors. The combination of the bomb dropped on Nagasaki which demonstrated 1) that we had more that one bomb and 2) that we had the gumption to use it, the prospect of Russian occupation troops, and fear of a socialist revolt among the Japanese people drove the (slightly) more reasonable faction, backed by Hirohito, to turn to the Americans because there was some prospect of maintaining part of the Meiji institutions under American occupation and none under Russian occupation. After the Tokyo firebombing, Hirohito was being driven through the streets and he sensed a subdued revolutionary mood among the &#8220;dehoused&#8221; residents. This prospect of popular revolt may have been a figment of Hirohito and his entourage&#8217;s imagination but it spurred them on to come to terms with the Americans. </p>
<p>Even then some ubiquitous crazy junior officers of the Japanese Army launched a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_Incident">coup attempt</a> to stop the Emperor&#8217;s surrender message from being broadcast. They stormed the imperial palace, killed the general commanding the imperial guard, ransacked the imperial palace looking for the vinyl record of the surrender message that Hirohito had already recorded, and almost assassinated the prime minister. Though some of the senior generals of the Army had given these officers mixed signals upon whether they&#8217;d support a coup or not, in the end enough senior leaders decided to follow Hirohito&#8217;s order that the coup collapsed and the surrender message was transmitted to the Japanese nation and armed forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Slovenian Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slovenian Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And even when they did surrender it was all wishy washy, from Wikipedia:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The termination of the war speech made no direct reference to a surrender of Japan. This created confusion in the minds of many listeners who were not sure if Japan had surrendered or if Hirohito was exhorting them to resist the enemy invasion.

Many elements of the Japanese military were extremely opposed to the idea that Hirohito was going to end the war, as they believed that this was dishonourable. Consequently, as many as one thousand officers attempted to raid the Imperial palace on the evening of August 14, to destroy the recording. The recording was successfully smuggled out of the palace in a laundry basket of women&#039;s underwear and broadcast the following day, although another attempt was made to stop it from being played at the radio station.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In fact the announcement put a humanitarian spin on the whole thing:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Should we continue fighting in the war, it would cause not only the complete Annihilation of our nation, but also the destruction of the human civilization. With this in mind, how should I save billions of our subjects and their posterity, and atone ourselves before the hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors? This is the reason why I ordered the Imperial Government to accept the Joint Declaration.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

People don&#039;t know that a third device was en route to Japan, they were a month away from losing another city, it was high noon:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Then I got a phone call from General Curtis LeMay [chief of staff of the strategic air forces in the Pacific]. He said, &quot;You got another one of those damn things?&quot; I said, &quot;Yessir.&quot; He said, &quot;Where is it?&quot; I said, &quot;Over in Utah.&quot; He said, &quot;Get it out here. You and your crew are going to fly it.&quot; I said, &quot;Yessir.&quot; I sent word back and the crew loaded it on an airplane and we headed back to bring it right on out to Trinian and when they got it to California debarkation point, the war was over.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s from a Paul Tibbets [the B-29 pilot] interview back in 2007.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And even when they did surrender it was all wishy washy, from Wikipedia:</p>
<blockquote><p>The termination of the war speech made no direct reference to a surrender of Japan. This created confusion in the minds of many listeners who were not sure if Japan had surrendered or if Hirohito was exhorting them to resist the enemy invasion.</p>
<p>Many elements of the Japanese military were extremely opposed to the idea that Hirohito was going to end the war, as they believed that this was dishonourable. Consequently, as many as one thousand officers attempted to raid the Imperial palace on the evening of August 14, to destroy the recording. The recording was successfully smuggled out of the palace in a laundry basket of women&#8217;s underwear and broadcast the following day, although another attempt was made to stop it from being played at the radio station.</p></blockquote>
<p>In fact the announcement put a humanitarian spin on the whole thing:</p>
<blockquote><p>Should we continue fighting in the war, it would cause not only the complete Annihilation of our nation, but also the destruction of the human civilization. With this in mind, how should I save billions of our subjects and their posterity, and atone ourselves before the hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors? This is the reason why I ordered the Imperial Government to accept the Joint Declaration.</p></blockquote>
<p>People don&#8217;t know that a third device was en route to Japan, they were a month away from losing another city, it was high noon:</p>
<blockquote><p>Then I got a phone call from General Curtis LeMay [chief of staff of the strategic air forces in the Pacific]. He said, &#8220;You got another one of those damn things?&#8221; I said, &#8220;Yessir.&#8221; He said, &#8220;Where is it?&#8221; I said, &#8220;Over in Utah.&#8221; He said, &#8220;Get it out here. You and your crew are going to fly it.&#8221; I said, &#8220;Yessir.&#8221; I sent word back and the crew loaded it on an airplane and we headed back to bring it right on out to Trinian and when they got it to California debarkation point, the war was over.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s from a Paul Tibbets [the B-29 pilot] interview back in 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Buckethead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buckethead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the success the US Navy had had essentially destroying Japan&#039;s merchant fleet, prolonging the war would have had hit the Japanese population even harder than just the continued destruction of cities.  Without shipping, no food could be imported &#8212; and I remember reading that there were estimates that upwards of 5 million Japanese would have starved if the war had continued into &#039;46, on top of any military casualties from bombing raids or an invasion of the home islands.

You&#039;ve hit it, too, on the atom bomb thing.  The key advantage of the atom bomb is not its destructive power per se, but its logistical effectiveness.  A three-bomber raid is much easier and cheaper to mount than a thousand-bomber raid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the success the US Navy had had essentially destroying Japan&#8217;s merchant fleet, prolonging the war would have had hit the Japanese population even harder than just the continued destruction of cities.  Without shipping, no food could be imported &mdash; and I remember reading that there were estimates that upwards of 5 million Japanese would have starved if the war had continued into &#8217;46, on top of any military casualties from bombing raids or an invasion of the home islands.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve hit it, too, on the atom bomb thing.  The key advantage of the atom bomb is not its destructive power per se, but its logistical effectiveness.  A three-bomber raid is much easier and cheaper to mount than a thousand-bomber raid.</p>
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