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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/04/getting-in-shape-for-what-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-161643</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like the Americans invaded &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/MayJun03/MS778.htm&quot;&gt;Attu Island&lt;/a&gt; from Adak Island.  The troops hadn&#039;t planned the loading of the ships, and they hadn&#039;t rehearsed the landing and unloading either.  The vehicles they brought along couldn&#039;t traverse the muddy terrain near the shore, and they didn&#039;t bring cold-weather gear &#8212; to an island off the coast of Alaska.  Further, their sleeping bags were meant to arrive the next day, after combat necessities &#8212; but the unloading process was so slow that they went without sleeping bags for days.  Because of the perpetual fog, artillery spotters couldn&#039;t direct fire &#8212; so they ran through all their ammo &lt;em&gt;hoping&lt;/em&gt; to hit something.

You&#039;re right; that does sound like a miserable little campaign.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like the Americans invaded <a href="http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/MayJun03/MS778.htm">Attu Island</a> from Adak Island.  The troops hadn&#8217;t planned the loading of the ships, and they hadn&#8217;t rehearsed the landing and unloading either.  The vehicles they brought along couldn&#8217;t traverse the muddy terrain near the shore, and they didn&#8217;t bring cold-weather gear &mdash; to an island off the coast of Alaska.  Further, their sleeping bags were meant to arrive the next day, after combat necessities &mdash; but the unloading process was so slow that they went without sleeping bags for days.  Because of the perpetual fog, artillery spotters couldn&#8217;t direct fire &mdash; so they ran through all their ammo <em>hoping</em> to hit something.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right; that does sound like a miserable little campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/04/getting-in-shape-for-what-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-161610</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding is that (1) pack animals do not travel well via truck or helicopter, and (2) pack animals need significant amounts of fodder (10 lbs per day) if they&#039;re not able to stop and graze.  So, pack animals are hard to transport over large distances, and they can&#039;t transport themselves over moderate distances, either, unless there is plenty of food along the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that (1) pack animals do not travel well via truck or helicopter, and (2) pack animals need significant amounts of fodder (10 lbs per day) if they&#8217;re not able to stop and graze.  So, pack animals are hard to transport over large distances, and they can&#8217;t transport themselves over moderate distances, either, unless there is plenty of food along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Goober</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/04/getting-in-shape-for-what-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-160505</link>
		<dc:creator>Goober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem here lies in the &quot;better to have and not need than to need and not have&quot; planning that is necessary in a combat situation where having that extra clip of ammunition or that bulky winter clothing could be the difference between going home alive or in pieces.  The issue not being addressed is that the soldiers often jettison their bulky load so that they can make the march, or alternatively, continue carrying it and arrive exhausted and unable to fight.  

If I recall correctly, this was one of the reasons that the invasion of Adak Island in the Aleutian chain was so costly to America.  (As I recall, it was the most deadly battle fought, per capita, in the entire Pacific campaign, although there were so few men involved that it wasn&#039;t that remarkable an engagement.)  The steep terrain and hostile climate of the Aleutians required men to walk in terrain that would daunt even the healthiest amoung us, carrying loads that would give a mule pause.  The men jettisoned a huge amount of gear on the march in and, as a result, many died of exposure during the campaign, for lack of the very gear that they dropped.  They argued that they would have never made it far enough to freeze had they not dropped it.  

What is a soldier to do?  

My answer?  Pack animals.  As a civilian, I never venture far off the drivable road without pack animals to haul my gear.  Why should the military be any different?  I am of the opinion that pack animals still have a place in the modern military in places like Afghanistan, and I don&#039;t understand why we refuse to use them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here lies in the &#8220;better to have and not need than to need and not have&#8221; planning that is necessary in a combat situation where having that extra clip of ammunition or that bulky winter clothing could be the difference between going home alive or in pieces.  The issue not being addressed is that the soldiers often jettison their bulky load so that they can make the march, or alternatively, continue carrying it and arrive exhausted and unable to fight.  </p>
<p>If I recall correctly, this was one of the reasons that the invasion of Adak Island in the Aleutian chain was so costly to America.  (As I recall, it was the most deadly battle fought, per capita, in the entire Pacific campaign, although there were so few men involved that it wasn&#8217;t that remarkable an engagement.)  The steep terrain and hostile climate of the Aleutians required men to walk in terrain that would daunt even the healthiest amoung us, carrying loads that would give a mule pause.  The men jettisoned a huge amount of gear on the march in and, as a result, many died of exposure during the campaign, for lack of the very gear that they dropped.  They argued that they would have never made it far enough to freeze had they not dropped it.  </p>
<p>What is a soldier to do?  </p>
<p>My answer?  Pack animals.  As a civilian, I never venture far off the drivable road without pack animals to haul my gear.  Why should the military be any different?  I am of the opinion that pack animals still have a place in the modern military in places like Afghanistan, and I don&#8217;t understand why we refuse to use them.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Abacus</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/04/getting-in-shape-for-what-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-159589</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Abacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure about the mask weight.  That&#039;s the weight I found online, but it could be off by a pound or two.  It was listed as &quot;shipping weight&quot;.  The number definitely includes the weight of the carrying bag and accessories (charcoal strips, detection papers, other decon gear and possibly a spare canister) that you wouldn&#039;t have on your head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure about the mask weight.  That&#8217;s the weight I found online, but it could be off by a pound or two.  It was listed as &#8220;shipping weight&#8221;.  The number definitely includes the weight of the carrying bag and accessories (charcoal strips, detection papers, other decon gear and possibly a spare canister) that you wouldn&#8217;t have on your head.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/04/getting-in-shape-for-what-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-159149</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t realize that a gas mask weighed almost as much as a rifle.

I suppose neck strength is important, if you&#039;re going to be wearing six pounds of helmet and night vision goggles &#8212; plus, perhaps, seven pounds of gas mask, too.

The body armor will probably get lighter and lighter until we face an enemy with access to more than just surplus AKs.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the higher-ups wanted machine-gun-proof plates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that a gas mask weighed almost as much as a rifle.</p>
<p>I suppose neck strength is important, if you&#8217;re going to be wearing six pounds of helmet and night vision goggles &mdash; plus, perhaps, seven pounds of gas mask, too.</p>
<p>The body armor will probably get lighter and lighter until we face an enemy with access to more than just surplus AKs.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the higher-ups wanted machine-gun-proof plates.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Abacus</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/04/getting-in-shape-for-what-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-158250</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Abacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was deployed to Iraq &#8212; I was in supply, not combat arms &#8212; our required convoy gear was:

M16 - 8 lbs
7 loaded mags - 7 lbs
2 1-quart canteens, full - 5 lbs
Interceptor Body Armor - 16.5 lbs
MICH helmet - 3 lbs
NVGs (PVS-7) - 3 lbs
Gas Mask - 7 lbs

This totals to about 50 lbs, which is pretty close to the &quot;fighting load&quot; listed above. (I haven&#039;t added stuff like uniform, trauma medical supplies, etc. to the weight estimates.)

Honestly, I don&#039;t think that any of those items can reasonably be cut.

As a side note, back strength is a definite weakness of the (US) Army physical fitness program.  I got a back ache about 4 months into the deployment that didn&#039;t go away until I got home.  I belatedly figured out what was going on, but by then it was a bit too late.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was deployed to Iraq &mdash; I was in supply, not combat arms &mdash; our required convoy gear was:</p>
<p>M16 &#8211; 8 lbs<br />
7 loaded mags &#8211; 7 lbs<br />
2 1-quart canteens, full &#8211; 5 lbs<br />
Interceptor Body Armor &#8211; 16.5 lbs<br />
MICH helmet &#8211; 3 lbs<br />
NVGs (PVS-7) &#8211; 3 lbs<br />
Gas Mask &#8211; 7 lbs</p>
<p>This totals to about 50 lbs, which is pretty close to the &#8220;fighting load&#8221; listed above. (I haven&#8217;t added stuff like uniform, trauma medical supplies, etc. to the weight estimates.)</p>
<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t think that any of those items can reasonably be cut.</p>
<p>As a side note, back strength is a definite weakness of the (US) Army physical fitness program.  I got a back ache about 4 months into the deployment that didn&#8217;t go away until I got home.  I belatedly figured out what was going on, but by then it was a bit too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2011/04/getting-in-shape-for-what-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-157926</link>
		<dc:creator>Isegoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 18:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a shame the mule can&#039;t wear your body armor for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame the mule can&#8217;t wear your body armor for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Fouche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Fouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why the 1930s Small Wars Manual put out by the Marines had chapters discussing the proper handling of mules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why the 1930s Small Wars Manual put out by the Marines had chapters discussing the proper handling of mules.</p>
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