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		<title>By: Isegoria</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From what I (just) read, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Venus&quot;&gt;terraforming Venus&lt;/a&gt; is far beyond our capabilities &#8212; but &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus#Aerostat_habitats_and_floating_cities&quot;&gt;colonizing Venus&lt;/a&gt; is still conceivable, because floating cities could get around most of the problems:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Geoffrey A. Landis has summarized the perceived difficulties in colonizing Venus as being merely from the assumption that a colony would need to be based on the surface of a planet:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;However, viewed in a different way, the problem with Venus is merely that the ground level is too far below the one atmosphere level. At cloud-top level, Venus is the paradise planet.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
He has proposed aerostat habitats followed by floating cities, based on the concept that breathable air (21:79 Oxygen-Nitrogen mixture) is a lifting gas in the dense Venusian atmosphere, with over 60% of the lifting power that helium has on Earth.[2] In effect, a balloon full of human-breathable air would sustain itself and extra weight (such as a colony) in midair. At an altitude of 50 km above Venusian surface, the environment is the most Earth-like in the solar system &#8212; a pressure of approximately 1 bar and temperatures in the 0°C&#8211;50°C range. Because there is not a significant pressure difference between the inside and the outside of the breathable-air balloon, any rips or tears would cause gases to diffuse at normal atmospheric mixing rates, giving time to repair any such damages. In addition, humans would not require pressurized suits when outside, merely air to breathe and a protection from the acidic rain. Alternatively, two-part domes could contain a lifting gas like hydrogen or helium (extractable from the atmosphere) to allow a higher mass density.[3]

Cloud-top colonization also offers a way to avoid the issue of slow Venusian rotation. At the top of the clouds the wind speed on Venus reaches up to 95 m/s, circling the planet approximately every four Earth days in a phenomenon known as &quot;super-rotation&quot;.[4] Colonies floating in this region could therefore have a much shorter day length by remaining untethered to the ground and moving with the atmosphere. While a space elevator extending to the surface of Venus is impractical due to the slow rotation, constructing a skyhook that extended into the upper atmosphere and rotated at the wind speed would not be difficult compared to constructing a space elevator on Earth.

Since such colonies would be viable in current Venusian conditions, this allows a dynamic approach to colonization instead of requiring extensive terraforming measures in advance. The main challenge would be using a substance resistant to sulfuric acid to serve as the structure&#039;s outer layer; ceramics or metal sulfates could possibly serve in this role. Dyneema, Polyethene and Polypropylene would be well usable for the skin of the balloon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I (just) read, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Venus">terraforming Venus</a> is far beyond our capabilities &mdash; but <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus#Aerostat_habitats_and_floating_cities">colonizing Venus</a> is still conceivable, because floating cities could get around most of the problems:</p>
<blockquote><p>Geoffrey A. Landis has summarized the perceived difficulties in colonizing Venus as being merely from the assumption that a colony would need to be based on the surface of a planet:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;However, viewed in a different way, the problem with Venus is merely that the ground level is too far below the one atmosphere level. At cloud-top level, Venus is the paradise planet.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>He has proposed aerostat habitats followed by floating cities, based on the concept that breathable air (21:79 Oxygen-Nitrogen mixture) is a lifting gas in the dense Venusian atmosphere, with over 60% of the lifting power that helium has on Earth.[2] In effect, a balloon full of human-breathable air would sustain itself and extra weight (such as a colony) in midair. At an altitude of 50 km above Venusian surface, the environment is the most Earth-like in the solar system &mdash; a pressure of approximately 1 bar and temperatures in the 0°C&ndash;50°C range. Because there is not a significant pressure difference between the inside and the outside of the breathable-air balloon, any rips or tears would cause gases to diffuse at normal atmospheric mixing rates, giving time to repair any such damages. In addition, humans would not require pressurized suits when outside, merely air to breathe and a protection from the acidic rain. Alternatively, two-part domes could contain a lifting gas like hydrogen or helium (extractable from the atmosphere) to allow a higher mass density.[3]</p>
<p>Cloud-top colonization also offers a way to avoid the issue of slow Venusian rotation. At the top of the clouds the wind speed on Venus reaches up to 95 m/s, circling the planet approximately every four Earth days in a phenomenon known as &#8220;super-rotation&#8221;.[4] Colonies floating in this region could therefore have a much shorter day length by remaining untethered to the ground and moving with the atmosphere. While a space elevator extending to the surface of Venus is impractical due to the slow rotation, constructing a skyhook that extended into the upper atmosphere and rotated at the wind speed would not be difficult compared to constructing a space elevator on Earth.</p>
<p>Since such colonies would be viable in current Venusian conditions, this allows a dynamic approach to colonization instead of requiring extensive terraforming measures in advance. The main challenge would be using a substance resistant to sulfuric acid to serve as the structure&#8217;s outer layer; ceramics or metal sulfates could possibly serve in this role. Dyneema, Polyethene and Polypropylene would be well usable for the skin of the balloon.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Graham J.</title>
		<link>https://www.isegoria.net/2010/05/forbidden-planet/comment-page-1/#comment-1308</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every month it seems I end up back at this wikipedia article: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_venus&quot;&gt;Terraforming of Venus&lt;/a&gt;. And the more I read it, the more it makes sense. Day/night cycles, the size of the planet. Let&#039;s do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every month it seems I end up back at this wikipedia article: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_venus">Terraforming of Venus</a>. And the more I read it, the more it makes sense. Day/night cycles, the size of the planet. Let&#8217;s do it.</p>
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